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uh talking of which tonight with the

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pledge of welcoming back Mr John Hansen

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um for those of you who attended John uh

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gave a very interesting talk on UFOs

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back in February 2017. uh when we

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visited broadhaven Community Hall

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and it was we were holding the 40th

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anniversary event of the broadhaven

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school incidents so if you were there

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you'd have seen John there

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uh if you hadn't met or heard John I'm

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sure most of you know that John is a

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veteran UFO investigator

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and he's a researcher as well and he's

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compiled a massive archive documenting

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UFO cases from all over Britain

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like myself and so many other people in

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the UFO World John is a retired police

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officer

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uh he was on CID I think and I was in

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the traffic department so we run off

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closing sites

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um anyway let me his interest in the UFO

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phenomena didn't really start until he

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got tired

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uh he's beginning to do several times on

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radio shows such as Coast to Coast radio

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and he even appeared on television on

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the one show

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uh I believe he's actually at his own

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UFO experiences in both Worcester and

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over Anderson Forest as well uh which

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you may mention tonight you never know

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um John reduced the haunted Sky series

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of books and collaborated with other

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researchers notably the late Margaret

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fry and we'll show you all know about

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uh in fact she's also received a claim

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from another UFO follower none other

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than the late Prince Philip the Duke of

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Edinburgh and we stated that John spots

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were amongst his favorites yeah so

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tonight if you talk about many cases

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he's documented

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every half an hour

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anyway he's documented a lot of stuff I

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mean we're looking at Margaret's worth

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as well over the many years and the talk

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is entitled The Great British UEFA

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archive so please give a warm super

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request

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can you all hear me no uh that's what I

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thought well I don't know what happened

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to my point

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my drink was on the table but it seems

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to have disappeared so I don't know

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um I never know where to start uh

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talking about this subject because

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uh I I I've been involved in it for

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about 27 years and obviously I've done a

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lot of talks before and I tend to

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concentrate on the books and the thing

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is currently at the moment

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um books are not selling and

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initially but let me start off saying

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that although I have masses of stuff to

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talk to you about I find it easier to

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talk from my heart than go through all

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of this stuff but we have a lot of

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images to show you the first of all I

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would like to to thank my girlfriend

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she's been helping me out with the

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archives we have a tremendous number of

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archives

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260 of these I'll try and lift it up

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without breaking

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which which covers

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um some fantastic sightings this is just

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um we we have a huge numbers to say of

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these and it was always my intention or

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objective to put these together and

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that's what we're doing and I think I've

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left some flyers on the table giving you

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an idea of how the archives are looking

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and we hope to get it open and next year

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let me start perhaps from the beginning

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a lot of people saying to me

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um what triggered off your interest and

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way back in 1995 I just um sort of

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finished with the police and I had oh

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thank you very much cheers

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it's always just generous it is yeah

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because I finished as a cop and one

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night before the news and um

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an officer known to me told me he'd been

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directed to the sighting of a UFO in the

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Birmingham area on the 19th of January

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and he and the policewoman saw this

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object and you can see very shortly

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um he sketched it for me and that's what

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to give us my interest because prior to

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that if all those times I was on duty

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back in let's say I joined the force in

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66 in 1967 there was the flying cross

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phenomena

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and a number of police officers

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witnessed that and on a day-to-day basis

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members of the public also saw what they

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referred to or described as a flying

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cross unfortunately even in those days

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have got the courage to come forward and

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Report things like that often get

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vilified by the media and that is

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unfortunately how it goes

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um but anyway this this copper told me

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what you saw it was the police woman and

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that's what to say to get off my my

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interest and I thought well I'm going to

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write a book so I started off with the

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haunted skies I think the covers in

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front of you there and you'll see more

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when we get into the film show and and

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screenshots and slides and God knows

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what and that's what got my interest and

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subsequently I found it very difficult

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difficult to to get the books published

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2008 or something so I went to see Tim

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suggested I speak to uh his his planning

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that produces the books and I spoke to

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him and he said well look if you give me

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50 Quid I'll tell you how to do it well

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really these books cost me a fortune

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um so I just got on with it and did five

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volumes tricked backwards and forwards

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to Devin and sometimes

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well these books cost me money sadly of

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course I've lost all the original books

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because the I shall not mention his name

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um he didn't pay me any uh to panic made

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any money for about three years so I

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took you to court and that taught me

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quite a bit at lesson really

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um but then I I brought out the whole

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prospective books working with Colonel

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Hoffman Estates I mean has anybody been

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to because it's as much as as our

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meeting tonight as mine in a way but has

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anybody been to rendition virus

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yeah like what did you think when you

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went there because this is funny yeah

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um well I've had a amazing picture of uh

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this is the the flying Source or isn't

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it this is before there this is in 2008

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yeah that's where the posts were that's

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picture which had I came up with a

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really big orb in that location orb of

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light and also like a sort of a cross a

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crucifix of light as well you know right

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um so that was weird in itself and I

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took loads of photographs everywhere

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around but it was the only one at that

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alleged site that actually had weird

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anomalies you know like light phenomena

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this is quite strange well does anybody

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with Gary Gary hasselberry that's right

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lovely lady she uh she's a personal

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friend of being around there many years

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talk to each other we we interact I I

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mean I could just say go through all of

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this lot here

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um but it's it's easy to interact with

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somebody because you pick up on it and

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you've been there I've been there many

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times and as an ex-cop walking along the

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tracks and people would come up to me

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and say oh my God the orbs oh my God

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have you seen those things coming on the

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forest floor and I said oh and I haven't

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seen him and I thought well I mean these

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people they're getting mixed up with

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with condensation or or pollution or

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forest floor or dust orbs blah blah blah

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and then I actually saw a little orb

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myself a left at Eastgate and that was

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hovering off the floor took a photograph

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of it and saw a lot of these strange

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orbs in the forest and a guy called

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David Brian did you ever meet David

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Brian well David Bryant he was or he

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still is a big friendly astronauts and

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he introduced me to Edgar Mitchell and

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some of the other guys up in in

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Birmingham and he he wrote a book or to

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say he wrote a book about why he didn't

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think they went to the moon and a lot of

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people would say well it's crap because

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of course they went to the moon but

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certainly bearing in mind his

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association with these guys and he's off

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the record conversations which they said

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they had no objection to him published

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him they you know it makes you wonder

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whether they did or they didn't but he

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to be humanoid figures in the forest

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which could be similar crane that people

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could be getting confused but for me for

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me first of all and we'll see the film

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if you can remind me in a bit showed it

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will stick the film on

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um 27th of December 2000 I was down in

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the forest with Brenda and some others

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and this thing appeared above the

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um it's fascinating

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and the the somebody contacted the Press

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they came to see me and I think they did

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some silly article about ETS which is

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how it goes

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um but again the determining Factor are

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the stones first of all

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um there was a lot of strange phenomena

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that took place in washwood Heath

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Birmingham in the 70s and it involved

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the police that what had happened is

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that people's houses three houses were

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being pelted by stones

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smooth round polished Pebbles similar to

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what was happening in the forest which

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is another story but the one in Watford

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um that they they kept it on under

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observation for three years and never

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found out why these Stones were falling

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from the sky and they even had the Army

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come in to carry out to work out

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trajectories paint and stones and that

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comes Under The Heading of a ports and

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if you go on the Internet or you look at

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our boards these are stones that just

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fall from nowhere now in the forest that

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happened quite regularly and if you tell

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somebody about a stone that's fallen

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from the sky or whatever people just

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laugh people have even said that it's

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birds flying with a big Stone in his

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beak and dropping down which is rubbish

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because I actually had some of those

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stones tested by a scientist

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and the the thing with this Stones if

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you like the stones that fell because we

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marked them they were they looked normal

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stones but they were completely clean

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they were completely clean you couldn't

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age them at all which meant that somehow

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somehow somebody had made a stone and

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that that sounds ridiculous but but

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those stones fell and again the Press

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went interested in that but rendersham

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is a fascinating place there's certainly

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a lot of strange things happening in

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there does somebody else say that they

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were there and he but yes that gentleman

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there

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come on thing

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like that two years ago sorry Mike your

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dog a few years ago yeah

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the forestry commission have uh created

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blood yeah

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but we leave it only there in the

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daytime so we did really we wouldn't

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have a lot

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but we had a good look around the Box

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you know they got back with me it was

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just going down for what my what I

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thought was that um

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bit of a creepy Place yeah yes it is you

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but when we were there there's no good

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song or

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anything it's uh you know what what they

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do and I think and it's actually treated

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yeah

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it was quite creepy place I thought

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it certainly is if you do get a chance

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it's it's worth a visit but it's it's

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changed over the years and they've got

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this um this the Flying Saucer they've

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made which is really it's not in the

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right place at all I mean I I've been

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able to see Colonel Hulk

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um he's being over here

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um and as I say colonel Holt is a

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fascinating guy

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um he ended up after he left the the

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um RAF Woodbridge it was Deputy based

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Commander there he went to Washington DC

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and he was in charge of all the armed

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services from a security point of view

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so you're looking at a pretty clever guy

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that probably would have been a general

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if he hadn't got involved in the uh

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incident that happened in in 1980

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um but yeah it's a fascinating place

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um and uh we well we've been down

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ourselves haven't we Shirley spoke to

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Brenda and of course Brenda uh was the

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uh the lady that wrote the along with

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Jenny Randalls and Dot Street the 1983

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Sky Crash which is uh well there were

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things in there I didn't really I find

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it very difficult to accept but um I

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always think when I talk to you it's

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easy to try and talk the top of the egg

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remember things that then really go

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through all the paperwork

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um but we will be showing some images

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soon if I go back to first of all how

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many people knew new Margrow

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Margaret fry

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yeah I think you interviewed her didn't

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you yes yeah

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well the thing about same with myself

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really I mean I've been introduced to

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you you you you probably never heard of

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me before

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um

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because you see I can't get any yeah

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sure I can't get any media Ascension

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because serious research does not endear

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you to the media they don't like it what

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they want to do is take the proverbial

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Mickey and we talked about the BBC One

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show I did one for them in the forest

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um they contacted me and they said look

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um

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can we interview and you can talk about

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Colonel hold so I did the interview down

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there but before then I've asked the

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producer look

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the thing with the random Forest

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incident is that this happened over the

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end of December 1980 but but hang on a

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minute one and in September August

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November 1980 I have the files on all of

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those reports including an interesting

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one that happened in Hull

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um when an area was closed off by the

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ministry and all sorts of things

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happened and that was one of the reasons

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why in all probability again a senior

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police officer went down from Hull went

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to see Colonel Richard spring at

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Woodbridge Air Base in January 1981. so

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but the producer said no directors said

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we can't use them so that's fair enough

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then and then with the 40th reunion

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of the broad Avon County Primary School

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and we were all down there

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um the the BBC interviewed me but then

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contacted me latest and simply can't use

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it because somebody's somebody's

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complained that their face is on the

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film so you were you telling me in this

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um this uh

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modern technology age that you can't

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remove or blank somebody's face out on

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the film so I don't know what to make

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for that but that's that's how that

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happened

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um but let's say going back to Margaret

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Margaret fry from abigaili Margaret

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lived in um a place called Bexley in

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Kent and in 1955 she was taking her son

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to to see the doctor because he had a

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bit of sunstroke and this object

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landed in front of them and

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she was a transformed woman she

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researched extensively into UFOs down

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there

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um and then she moved to abigaily Wales

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she wished her here some of her some of

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what she's got the same fact surely if

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you can read this is from Margaret Frye

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she joined before if you want to

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pass this one

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[Music]

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I mean it's a shame she never came here

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so this is Shirley's first time so can

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you deal with a leader maybe it's a

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manuscript so you're gonna have to bear

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with me right okay

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she was very nervous about meeting you

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tonight but I sit there

417
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Margaret Frye had to say

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um when she she joined before

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and you want to just read that now I was

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working between 1962 1964 as a secretary

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for an engineering firm in Holborn where

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I used to browse around setting down

423
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bookshops during my lunch hour one lunch

424
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break my eye course an illustration of a

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George a dance ski type Craft on the

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book cover

427
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the book by Larry kettlecamp costs 10

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Shillings which is 50 pounds more

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importantly I asked the bookkeeper if he

430
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had any further such books and he handed

431
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me the flying saucer Story by Bruce Lee

432
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Laporte Trench that will somewhat

433
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changed my life and totally my outlook

434
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on life I immediately set to and

435
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corresponded with the author

436
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I had no idea he was an earth a member

437
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of the House of laws until some years

438
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later eventually he wrote saying he

439
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thought I would make a good UFO

440
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investigator and in 1967 he asked me to

441
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get in touch with the organization he

442
00:21:02,029 --> 00:20:59,700
had founded contact International

443
00:21:04,250 --> 00:21:02,039
in the late 1960s this popular

444
00:21:07,370 --> 00:21:04,260
organization had a couple of thousand

445
00:21:10,130 --> 00:21:07,380
members I was requested to seek for an

446
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exam if I wish to become an investigator

447
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I would if I pass Erie be required to

448
00:21:19,549 --> 00:21:15,720
investigate sightings with an allotted

449
00:21:23,630 --> 00:21:19,559
experience UFO investigator I decided to

450
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ly could on Prototype craft at all order

451
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for an aerodynamics designer and

452
00:21:35,690 --> 00:21:33,000
engineer with British Aerospace

453
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being a brainy and obliging fellow you

454
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soon simplified down to my level various

455
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Snippets of information and saying I

456
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felt qualified enough to sit for the

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exam

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to my delight I was Julie told like

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hundreds of applications that year 19

460
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. I was one of only 11 selected in the

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whole of the British arms feeling

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somewhat inflated I naturally sat back

463
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and waited for the UFO reports to pour

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in what a misconception in the meantime

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I look forward immensely to the monthly

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Saturday meetings run by before our

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organization first at Claxton Hall later

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shifting to Kensington High Street

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Library

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the beatings of Kensington

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we're stuffing very southern English

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definers that which lecturer after a

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lecturer invariably told us their

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reasons for believing UFOs did not exist

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during question time if anyone dared to

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say they'd see in the UFO they'd either

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be non-super lightly cry down or say

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that in embarrassed disbelief by the

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packed audience

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I wondered what the devil may all went

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there for

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interval times were tea and biscuits

483
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served with people Milling around

484
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politely when I tried to tell them I had

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seen

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it is impossible improbable UFOs they

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can likely move away

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no doubt they were they were others

489
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there who had also seen UFOs otherwise

490
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why would they have come

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I was unfortunate enough not to bump

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into them

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with the exception of normal Oliver the

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editor of euphoria Journal also lion and

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beer one of the founder members who sold

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books and magazines and I was not sure

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or did not think UFOs existed

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what would change little jokes with them

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and save me the old numbers of FSR

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flying Source review

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so he should have he should have as I

502
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was possibly one of his best men

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customers man my friend Alan Wilson

504
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jokes and says I have far more books

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than Wine

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however these two gentlemen may be

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outing from the suburbs of Kent a

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pleasant evening for me so I persevered

509
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with the meetings I wouldn't have

510
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otherwise as it was a fair distance from

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[Music]

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would attend these meetings we also had

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plenty to chat about at the end of the

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evening we'd make sure the taxi we got

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would take me onto charity cross station

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after dropping him off at his home in

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Belgravia he also paid the full fare

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really was a considerate gentleman

519
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all this time I was immersed in a whole

520
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new world of ideas opening up for me the

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subject of UFOs from all this literature

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00:24:38,450 --> 00:24:36,480
some good some bad something different

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but I was learning

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I think in 1971 72 I saw a UFO lecture

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at evening advertised in the hall above

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the co-op shop Bexley Higgins I attended

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with a number of people and by chance I

528
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sit next and sat next to a young woman

529
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newspaper reporter from the group

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kentish times

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the tour was by a serious earliest young

532
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man called Timothy Goode who later

533
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became my friend and one of Britain's

534
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I was asked if I knew him no I said I am

535
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also a UFO investigator for contact

536
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International and I have also seen UFOs

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hoping privately that she would not be

538
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acquire how many UFOs reports I had

539
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investigated

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to my surprise she gave not only Tim

541
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good would also made a nice little

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write-up Independence times

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the result was that I received my first

544
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film call I see you needed to give a

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talk to the young conservatives I

546
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explained honestly that all I knew I had

547
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read apart from my three personal

548
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sightings in addition I am an antonate

549
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socialist I was cordially invited anyway

550
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so off I went to the fast Beating Heart

551
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which beats still faster when I

552
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discovered Mary Whitehouse have been

553
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their previous speaker

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everyone appeared to enjoy my evening

555
00:26:12,529 --> 00:26:10,679
and asked a lot of questions I confessed

556
00:26:16,730 --> 00:26:12,539
to the chairman that I simply had not

557
00:26:20,450 --> 00:26:16,740
any had any reports publicity they said

558
00:26:23,110 --> 00:26:20,460
that is what you need constantly it is

559
00:26:25,789 --> 00:26:23,120
essential for politicians so why not you

560
00:26:27,950 --> 00:26:25,799
get in touch with as many newspaper

561
00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:27,960
reporters as you can

562
00:26:32,450 --> 00:26:30,480
in the useful and I took the advice of

563
00:26:35,870 --> 00:26:32,460
the young conservatives and use

564
00:26:39,289 --> 00:26:35,880
newspaper publicity TV and radio as

565
00:26:41,930 --> 00:26:39,299
useful tools for obtaining UFO reports

566
00:26:44,450 --> 00:26:41,940
apart from this as it happened from that

567
00:26:47,450 --> 00:26:44,460
time onwards I was one of the fortunate

568
00:26:50,630 --> 00:26:47,460
few investigators who was always getting

569
00:26:53,090 --> 00:26:50,640
UFO reports because apart from media

570
00:26:56,409 --> 00:26:53,100
publicity I worked hard by constantly

571
00:26:59,950 --> 00:26:56,419
placing adverts in libraries police

572
00:27:02,570 --> 00:26:59,960
stations news agents and shops

573
00:27:06,470 --> 00:27:02,580
Unfortunately today I would advise

574
00:27:10,190 --> 00:27:06,480
nobody particularly women to do this now

575
00:27:12,830 --> 00:27:10,200
as we live in a more violent Society

576
00:27:14,990 --> 00:27:12,840
I was also brushing up my knowledge of

577
00:27:17,510 --> 00:27:15,000
the subject by constantly reading and

578
00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:17,520
giving talks of all sorts of groups and

579
00:27:23,690 --> 00:27:20,640
organizations all over the British Isles

580
00:27:26,690 --> 00:27:23,700
newspapers specifically local ones do

581
00:27:29,930 --> 00:27:26,700
from time to time give UFO researchers

582
00:27:32,570 --> 00:27:29,940
writers but these can backfire as they

583
00:27:34,450 --> 00:27:32,580
tend to exaggerate or sometimes I'm

584
00:27:37,070 --> 00:27:34,460
totally innocuous

585
00:27:39,289 --> 00:27:37,080
newspaper editors seem to have no

586
00:27:43,090 --> 00:27:39,299
conscience about this nor do they

587
00:27:46,730 --> 00:27:43,100
redress one one has to learn to be Phil

588
00:27:48,710 --> 00:27:46,740
philosophical about this it is not

589
00:27:50,810 --> 00:27:48,720
surprising though that some

590
00:27:52,610 --> 00:27:50,820
youthologists believe the press and

591
00:27:54,470 --> 00:27:52,620
media are controlled by secret

592
00:27:57,169 --> 00:27:54,480
government agencies

593
00:28:00,950 --> 00:27:57,179
perhaps they are and they feel as

594
00:28:02,570 --> 00:28:00,960
restricted by these covet agencies as we

595
00:28:05,330 --> 00:28:02,580
sometimes are

596
00:28:08,330 --> 00:28:05,340
Gordon Triton for many decades the

597
00:28:10,789 --> 00:28:08,340
editor of a flying saucer review himself

598
00:28:12,649 --> 00:28:10,799
a former Diplomat who excelled at

599
00:28:16,070 --> 00:28:12,659
languages and could read and write

600
00:28:19,310 --> 00:28:16,080
brilliantly in about 20 of them since

601
00:28:22,190 --> 00:28:19,320
the 1950s made us aware of these

602
00:28:25,730 --> 00:28:22,200
agencies in every country of the world

603
00:28:29,450 --> 00:28:25,740
Gordon continue the editorship to the

604
00:28:33,890 --> 00:28:29,460
age of 91 to the time of his death on

605
00:28:36,669 --> 00:28:33,900
the 16th of July 2003 he was and is an

606
00:28:39,950 --> 00:28:36,679
enormous loss to ufology

607
00:28:43,070 --> 00:28:39,960
more recently Timothy good with his best

608
00:28:45,529 --> 00:28:43,080
standing of both top secret Rick Redfern

609
00:28:48,890 --> 00:28:45,539
and others have documented this covered

610
00:28:52,130 --> 00:28:48,900
cover of those in America and

611
00:28:55,010 --> 00:28:52,140
most UFO researchers worldwide are aware

612
00:28:58,190 --> 00:28:55,020
of this but the majority just do what

613
00:29:01,730 --> 00:28:58,200
they can by researching in their own

614
00:29:04,190 --> 00:29:01,740
countries of Britain I personally do not

615
00:29:07,310 --> 00:29:04,200
have the money time or stamina to travel

616
00:29:09,110 --> 00:29:07,320
from North Wales to the Records Office

617
00:29:11,450 --> 00:29:09,120
EQ London

618
00:29:14,870 --> 00:29:11,460
what I have written about is my own

619
00:29:17,510 --> 00:29:14,880
experiences and the reports hundreds if

620
00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:17,520
not thousands of ordinary people in all

621
00:29:23,029 --> 00:29:20,399
walks of life have brought me both in

622
00:29:25,070 --> 00:29:23,039
Southern England and North Wales

623
00:29:28,190 --> 00:29:25,080
these reports went to contact

624
00:29:31,250 --> 00:29:28,200
International new code and Oxford over

625
00:29:34,190 --> 00:29:31,260
the years I now hope to share them with

626
00:29:37,669 --> 00:29:34,200
a wider audience of people if I

627
00:29:40,250 --> 00:29:37,679
investigating on my own in Kent parts of

628
00:29:42,950 --> 00:29:40,260
South England and North Wales have

629
00:29:45,409 --> 00:29:42,960
accumulated all this what a wealth of

630
00:29:49,260 --> 00:29:45,419
information lies hidden with local

631
00:29:55,310 --> 00:29:50,630
[Music]

632
00:29:59,330 --> 00:29:55,320
[Applause]

633
00:30:02,570 --> 00:29:59,340
if they do like it the the problem that

634
00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:02,580
we face what we both face and I think

635
00:30:08,769 --> 00:30:04,799
the same with this group

636
00:30:14,149 --> 00:30:08,779
is the sheer amount of UFO information

637
00:30:18,110 --> 00:30:14,159
the sheer amount of letters I mean we

638
00:30:19,330 --> 00:30:18,120
will go through the the screenshots and

639
00:30:23,149 --> 00:30:19,340
stuff

640
00:30:30,590 --> 00:30:28,370
it is difficult to comprehend how with

641
00:30:33,850 --> 00:30:30,600
this amount of information bearing in

642
00:30:37,970 --> 00:30:33,860
mind that we go back to 47 you know the

643
00:30:40,010 --> 00:30:37,980
1950s Project Blue Book uh Dr Alan

644
00:30:42,470 --> 00:30:40,020
heinek

645
00:30:44,450 --> 00:30:42,480
um the project Google files if you look

646
00:30:47,690 --> 00:30:44,460
at the project Google files you will

647
00:30:50,510 --> 00:30:47,700
find that there's always a card index so

648
00:30:53,870 --> 00:30:50,520
the card tells you so and so sought a

649
00:30:55,730 --> 00:30:53,880
UFO and and they'll write it offers

650
00:30:57,049 --> 00:30:55,740
questionable could have been the moon

651
00:30:59,210 --> 00:30:57,059
could have been the planet it could have

652
00:31:02,149 --> 00:30:59,220
been the Jupiter if you look further

653
00:31:04,610 --> 00:31:02,159
below you'll see a letter you'll see a

654
00:31:07,190 --> 00:31:04,620
sign statement from the witness which

655
00:31:10,430 --> 00:31:07,200
clearly identifies the fact that this

656
00:31:12,169 --> 00:31:10,440
was no bloody moon or planet and we're

657
00:31:16,010 --> 00:31:12,179
talking about thousands of sightings

658
00:31:19,789 --> 00:31:16,020
we're talking about 47 now 47 my God how

659
00:31:25,090 --> 00:31:19,799
many years back is that the 50s the 60s

660
00:31:28,690 --> 00:31:25,100
the 70s the the enormous waves in 1970

661
00:31:32,149 --> 00:31:28,700
1977 the broadland County Primary School

662
00:31:33,409 --> 00:31:32,159
incident and so many others all over the

663
00:31:35,690 --> 00:31:33,419
country

664
00:31:37,789 --> 00:31:35,700
and then you've got the 80s you've got

665
00:31:41,450 --> 00:31:37,799
the Belgium the sightings of the Belgian

666
00:31:43,010 --> 00:31:41,460
triangle but but the thing is I don't

667
00:31:44,210 --> 00:31:43,020
know if anybody says the Belgian

668
00:31:47,930 --> 00:31:44,220
triangle

669
00:31:51,710 --> 00:31:47,940
no yeah well in a nutshell for me

670
00:31:54,409 --> 00:31:51,720
triangles are composed of three objects

671
00:31:56,990 --> 00:31:54,419
three three lights forming a triangle

672
00:32:00,889 --> 00:31:57,000
and you might think well that's that's

673
00:32:03,769 --> 00:32:00,899
triangular UFO Etc et cetera and but for

674
00:32:06,169 --> 00:32:03,779
me the number three the Triangular

675
00:32:09,730 --> 00:32:06,179
objects the three objects

676
00:32:13,070 --> 00:32:09,740
um forming a triangular position are are

677
00:32:15,889 --> 00:32:13,080
so many sightings of those objects over

678
00:32:18,950 --> 00:32:15,899
the Essex area and it's an area which

679
00:32:21,710 --> 00:32:18,960
back in the 40s East Anglia was

680
00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:21,720
predominant with UFO sightings the RAF

681
00:32:27,590 --> 00:32:25,200
were picking up on their radar these

682
00:32:30,230 --> 00:32:27,600
objects coming over in threes

683
00:32:32,029 --> 00:32:30,240
and Italy sometimes

684
00:32:35,630 --> 00:32:32,039
um there's not injuries they're in fours

685
00:32:38,690 --> 00:32:35,640
or fives I I mean I don't know but it's

686
00:32:41,389 --> 00:32:38,700
so many sightings uh events of stuff

687
00:32:44,389 --> 00:32:41,399
like that and then we've got the 80s and

688
00:32:47,149 --> 00:32:44,399
then we've got the 90s I mean the that

689
00:32:49,430 --> 00:32:47,159
folder there I talked about the police

690
00:32:52,310 --> 00:32:49,440
officer sighting on the 19th of January

691
00:32:53,870 --> 00:32:52,320
well if somebody had said to me do you

692
00:32:57,380 --> 00:32:53,880
know anything about any other sightings

693
00:33:01,490 --> 00:32:58,630
[Music]

694
00:33:04,250 --> 00:33:01,500
is what six or seven inches of sightings

695
00:33:07,850 --> 00:33:04,260
there for for the year and probably what

696
00:33:09,830 --> 00:33:07,860
20 for January I mean we've got 1996

697
00:33:13,730 --> 00:33:09,840
folding we've got five bloody folders

698
00:33:14,810 --> 00:33:13,740
that high of of incidents of reporting

699
00:33:18,110 --> 00:33:14,820
since

700
00:33:20,630 --> 00:33:18,120
um original cycling reports of objects

701
00:33:22,490 --> 00:33:20,640
that that are that were seen and

702
00:33:23,509 --> 00:33:22,500
reported and these aren't just lights in

703
00:33:26,389 --> 00:33:23,519
the sky

704
00:33:29,210 --> 00:33:26,399
so with this amount of information you

705
00:33:31,850 --> 00:33:29,220
wonder why the hell we can't move

706
00:33:34,370 --> 00:33:31,860
forward well why can't we get the

707
00:33:36,529 --> 00:33:34,380
government to at least acknowledge and

708
00:33:41,029 --> 00:33:36,539
in some way I suppose they do because of

709
00:33:42,769 --> 00:33:41,039
Declassified files from the mod but

710
00:33:44,990 --> 00:33:42,779
want to know

711
00:33:49,009 --> 00:33:45,000
is what are they

712
00:33:50,570 --> 00:33:49,019
and where do they come from and and

713
00:33:51,909 --> 00:33:50,580
we're not getting we're not getting that

714
00:33:55,190 --> 00:33:51,919
are we

715
00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:55,200
I mean has anybody here at a UFO

716
00:34:01,210 --> 00:33:57,600
sighting of a triangle

717
00:34:05,750 --> 00:34:01,220
yeah I wish I had my glasses off

718
00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:07,789
are you could you mind telling us this

719
00:34:20,329 --> 00:34:16,869
in in Swansea in the

720
00:34:22,510 --> 00:34:20,339
uh end of I think it was end of 98 I

721
00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:22,520
think it was there about yeah

722
00:34:28,010 --> 00:34:25,440
up towards it's a slight gradient of a

723
00:34:29,629 --> 00:34:28,020
hill and then it flattens off and

724
00:34:32,270 --> 00:34:29,639
directly in front of me with a little

725
00:34:35,510 --> 00:34:32,280
red light and I thought

726
00:34:38,089 --> 00:34:35,520
the red light was the red light from a

727
00:34:39,589 --> 00:34:38,099
TV aerial oh yeah on the top of the hill

728
00:34:41,089 --> 00:34:39,599
you know TV bar

729
00:34:43,490 --> 00:34:41,099
but then all of a sudden I realized

730
00:34:46,369 --> 00:34:43,500
there were two but as I was getting

731
00:34:49,190 --> 00:34:46,379
close to my eyes were refocused and this

732
00:34:53,389 --> 00:34:49,200
this thing was just pretty much about 15

733
00:34:56,149 --> 00:34:53,399
to 20 meters off the off the right but

734
00:34:58,970 --> 00:34:56,159
it was about 90 to 100 meters away from

735
00:35:00,530 --> 00:34:58,980
me I was driving towards it but then the

736
00:35:03,829 --> 00:35:00,540
road kind of went along to the right

737
00:35:05,810 --> 00:35:03,839
side because I was driving past it and

738
00:35:07,370 --> 00:35:05,820
it was sitting there and the back end of

739
00:35:09,650 --> 00:35:07,380
it basically

740
00:35:12,890 --> 00:35:09,660
spun around if you like so this red

741
00:35:15,290 --> 00:35:12,900
light went from up in the air to down

742
00:35:16,730 --> 00:35:15,300
onto the towards the ground I couldn't

743
00:35:19,550 --> 00:35:16,740
see the ground because it was like you

744
00:35:22,670 --> 00:35:19,560
know level twos at that point and it was

745
00:35:25,310 --> 00:35:22,680
pretty much the same height as

746
00:35:27,109 --> 00:35:25,320
um roadside lights so that there were

747
00:35:29,210 --> 00:35:27,119
two lights there and there's pretty much

748
00:35:32,930 --> 00:35:29,220
in the middle just off the road on some

749
00:35:34,190 --> 00:35:32,940
scrub lines and as I was driving past up

750
00:35:36,950 --> 00:35:34,200
to barely moved there because I was

751
00:35:38,870 --> 00:35:36,960
driving past it as were hundreds of

752
00:35:42,470 --> 00:35:38,880
other cars sometimes it was of an

753
00:35:44,390 --> 00:35:42,480
evening in October it was dark it was

754
00:35:47,270 --> 00:35:44,400
dark because it was like six o'clock

755
00:35:48,890 --> 00:35:47,280
something like that and we all pretty

756
00:35:51,829 --> 00:35:48,900
much came to a standstill and this thing

757
00:35:54,050 --> 00:35:51,839
was alongside the road and it's back in

758
00:35:56,690 --> 00:35:54,060
went back up to like an upright position

759
00:36:01,390 --> 00:35:56,700
and it just kind of gliding along the

760
00:36:04,609 --> 00:36:01,400
past us and then went off sort of um

761
00:36:07,069 --> 00:36:04,619
actually went up it was it was no nice

762
00:36:10,250 --> 00:36:07,079
no movement initially the fingers back

763
00:36:12,109 --> 00:36:10,260
spinning around I couldn't see the

764
00:36:14,390 --> 00:36:12,119
lights underneath it you know the three

765
00:36:15,950 --> 00:36:14,400
lights underneath it because of the

766
00:36:17,690 --> 00:36:15,960
street lights because they're pretty

767
00:36:18,950 --> 00:36:17,700
much parallel to the same on the side of

768
00:36:25,370 --> 00:36:18,960
it

769
00:36:26,930 --> 00:36:25,380
probably coming down

770
00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:26,940
to touch the ground I would say it's

771
00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:29,280
probably quite compatible and this thing

772
00:36:33,130 --> 00:36:31,680
kind of glided off and then passed me

773
00:36:35,690 --> 00:36:33,140
and then

774
00:36:37,130 --> 00:36:35,700
anybody else have a site you have low

775
00:36:39,890 --> 00:36:37,140
sighting I mean are you do you all

776
00:36:41,990 --> 00:36:39,900
believe in UFOs strange question yeah

777
00:36:44,290 --> 00:36:42,000
yeah because you're sporting the group

778
00:36:48,349 --> 00:36:44,300
but you all believe yeah yeah

779
00:36:49,670 --> 00:36:48,359
because of because of because of what

780
00:36:51,290 --> 00:36:49,680
you've learned and what you've read

781
00:36:54,050 --> 00:36:51,300
about yeah

782
00:36:56,030 --> 00:36:54,060
I mean for me the worrying part about

783
00:36:59,270 --> 00:36:56,040
this is first of all I I've just

784
00:37:01,430 --> 00:36:59,280
finished the police and UFOs book I've

785
00:37:03,530 --> 00:37:01,440
decided to get them printed um

786
00:37:05,990 --> 00:37:03,540
separately normally my books have gone

787
00:37:07,970 --> 00:37:06,000
through lightning Source Nielsen's and

788
00:37:11,510 --> 00:37:07,980
they've gone to Amazon

789
00:37:14,450 --> 00:37:11,520
and I'd always felt the people want as

790
00:37:16,609 --> 00:37:14,460
much information as they can so some of

791
00:37:20,990 --> 00:37:16,619
these books have been eight nine hundred

792
00:37:24,530 --> 00:37:21,000
a thousand pages in color and it's the

793
00:37:27,710 --> 00:37:24,540
biggest mistake ever made in my life

794
00:37:29,170 --> 00:37:27,720
um because with with the cost of

795
00:37:32,270 --> 00:37:29,180
printing

796
00:37:36,349 --> 00:37:32,280
some of those books

797
00:37:38,329 --> 00:37:36,359
that I've ended up but you know I know

798
00:37:41,930 --> 00:37:38,339
it sounds bizarre I've ended up having

799
00:37:42,890 --> 00:37:41,940
to pay extra money for people to buy a

800
00:37:47,270 --> 00:37:42,900
book

801
00:37:49,270 --> 00:37:47,280
um because the the painting processes

802
00:37:53,089 --> 00:37:49,280
um because the color electricity

803
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:53,099
increases it's crazy somebody once said

804
00:37:59,390 --> 00:37:55,440
to me why can't you buy I want disguise

805
00:38:01,550 --> 00:37:59,400
books in bertrams or Smith's or

806
00:38:02,930 --> 00:38:01,560
wattersons or whatever and it's as

807
00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:02,940
simple as this

808
00:38:07,490 --> 00:38:06,240
if you publish a book and it's it's it's

809
00:38:10,250 --> 00:38:07,500
it's

810
00:38:12,890 --> 00:38:10,260
um and somebody goes to one of those um

811
00:38:18,050 --> 00:38:12,900
companies and wants to buy it

812
00:38:20,569 --> 00:38:18,060
um you have to allow 60 discount

813
00:38:23,510 --> 00:38:20,579
well sixty percent discount that means

814
00:38:26,270 --> 00:38:23,520
that I actually don't make a payment but

815
00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:26,280
actually run it a lot well it's it's one

816
00:38:31,310 --> 00:38:28,560
thing to let people buy books but but

817
00:38:34,609 --> 00:38:31,320
gotta I mean I mean I did the revised

818
00:38:39,109 --> 00:38:34,619
volume one revised volume two revised

819
00:38:41,450 --> 00:38:39,119
volume three and revise volume four and

820
00:38:43,550 --> 00:38:41,460
the oddest thing about the revised

821
00:38:46,130 --> 00:38:43,560
volume again we'll have a look at it

822
00:38:48,310 --> 00:38:46,140
we'll have a look through the one that I

823
00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:48,320
did for with the front cover from the

824
00:38:56,050 --> 00:38:51,839
1977 broadain and County Primary School

825
00:38:59,569 --> 00:38:56,060
was the book that the Buckingham Palace

826
00:39:03,050 --> 00:38:59,579
would not accept that they just did not

827
00:39:05,450 --> 00:39:03,060
it was sent recorded delivery

828
00:39:07,430 --> 00:39:05,460
um I mean in all of the books that I've

829
00:39:09,410 --> 00:39:07,440
had before they've gone to Prince Philip

830
00:39:12,349 --> 00:39:09,420
of course Prince Philip's been

831
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:12,359
interested in UFOs I mean for God's sake

832
00:39:16,310 --> 00:39:14,400
why shouldn't you be interested David

833
00:39:19,550 --> 00:39:16,320
Cameron loved the books and he was

834
00:39:21,950 --> 00:39:19,560
interested I think anybody

835
00:39:25,730 --> 00:39:21,960
um in power

836
00:39:30,890 --> 00:39:25,740
um privately will accept UFOs exist

837
00:39:32,930 --> 00:39:30,900
because the evidence is is is undeniable

838
00:39:35,390 --> 00:39:32,940
um but why is it that it's still such an

839
00:39:36,410 --> 00:39:35,400
embarrassing thing to most people that

840
00:39:38,450 --> 00:39:36,420
guy

841
00:39:41,210 --> 00:39:38,460
talk to somebody if I talk to somebody

842
00:39:43,130 --> 00:39:41,220
and say look uh they say what do you

843
00:39:46,069 --> 00:39:43,140
what do you do what did you actually do

844
00:39:49,550 --> 00:39:46,079
and like if I say I I write books on

845
00:39:52,310 --> 00:39:49,560
UFOs they think I'm in that case so you

846
00:39:55,609 --> 00:39:52,320
know if you look at Facebook and you

847
00:39:56,990 --> 00:39:55,619
read all of these reports you might gain

848
00:39:59,510 --> 00:39:57,000
the impression that we're getting

849
00:40:02,510 --> 00:39:59,520
somewhere but as I said for the lads

850
00:40:06,530 --> 00:40:02,520
earlier we we aren't getting anywhere

851
00:40:08,810 --> 00:40:06,540
but rather than giving give up we've got

852
00:40:10,210 --> 00:40:08,820
to go forward we've got to keep on

853
00:40:13,310 --> 00:40:10,220
because

854
00:40:17,089 --> 00:40:13,320
you know so many people I've met over

855
00:40:20,810 --> 00:40:17,099
the years have been have suffered not

856
00:40:24,530 --> 00:40:20,820
only physically but also psychologically

857
00:40:26,329 --> 00:40:24,540
and I often wonder if if a sighting of

858
00:40:29,150 --> 00:40:26,339
the UFO

859
00:40:32,750 --> 00:40:29,160
um dependent on the distance or how

860
00:40:34,849 --> 00:40:32,760
close to you are will determine what is

861
00:40:38,230 --> 00:40:34,859
going to happen to you for argument's

862
00:40:42,470 --> 00:40:38,240
sake a lot of people that get close UFOs

863
00:40:44,750 --> 00:40:42,480
will have problems trying to say things

864
00:40:48,230 --> 00:40:44,760
will happen in the house electrical

865
00:40:52,430 --> 00:40:48,240
appliances mechanical appliances shadows

866
00:40:55,550 --> 00:40:52,440
will be seen it's so these things can be

867
00:40:58,370 --> 00:40:55,560
quite dangerous but for me

868
00:41:01,790 --> 00:40:58,380
um one of the most serious cases I've

869
00:41:04,310 --> 00:41:01,800
ever come across involves our friend

870
00:41:05,630 --> 00:41:04,320
from week more yeah do you want to have

871
00:41:07,970 --> 00:41:05,640
a look at that week a lot of things this

872
00:41:11,089 --> 00:41:07,980
is Doris from week more Doris from

873
00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:11,099
Wigmore harryfordshire was on her way

874
00:41:19,630 --> 00:41:15,359
home on the 31st of December 1999.

875
00:41:22,190 --> 00:41:19,640
with a door to Cheryl and as they

876
00:41:24,109 --> 00:41:22,200
entered got close to a week more this

877
00:41:27,530 --> 00:41:24,119
thing appeared over their heads and

878
00:41:30,349 --> 00:41:27,540
followed their vehicle well objects that

879
00:41:34,010 --> 00:41:30,359
follow vehicles I I won't use the word

880
00:41:37,730 --> 00:41:34,020
10 a penny but by God out in the county

881
00:41:40,910 --> 00:41:37,740
I've got so many reports from them and

882
00:41:43,930 --> 00:41:40,920
on this occasion when she got home she

883
00:41:47,569 --> 00:41:43,940
had this huge blister on her chest

884
00:41:50,630 --> 00:41:47,579
and she went to the doctors she reported

885
00:41:52,550 --> 00:41:50,640
it so please she went on a radio station

886
00:41:56,030 --> 00:41:52,560
and um

887
00:41:59,510 --> 00:41:56,040
it it was horrifying and she said to me

888
00:42:02,450 --> 00:41:59,520
John said you could put your fist in the

889
00:42:05,450 --> 00:42:02,460
hole in the chest and it was it was

890
00:42:07,609 --> 00:42:05,460
patched up she went to see the doctor uh

891
00:42:11,030 --> 00:42:07,619
as I say other doctor and they said they

892
00:42:13,130 --> 00:42:11,040
couldn't understand they could they they

893
00:42:16,609 --> 00:42:13,140
they accepted that she'd had the

894
00:42:19,910 --> 00:42:16,619
sighting but they treated me with a bit

895
00:42:21,950 --> 00:42:19,920
of Suspicion I suppose but she's not the

896
00:42:25,790 --> 00:42:21,960
only lady I'm not the only guy I've come

897
00:42:27,710 --> 00:42:25,800
across tons of people like this so I

898
00:42:29,870 --> 00:42:27,720
think this is pretty serious stuff this

899
00:42:32,150 --> 00:42:29,880
isn't just a few lights in the sky and

900
00:42:34,430 --> 00:42:32,160
laughing and giggling and this is really

901
00:42:38,750 --> 00:42:34,440
worrying stuff and the other thing with

902
00:42:42,829 --> 00:42:38,760
a lot of cases right safety case in 1954

903
00:42:44,329 --> 00:42:42,839
a guy called Nigel frappel you can look

904
00:42:45,290 --> 00:42:44,339
him up on the Internet he was on the way

905
00:42:48,589 --> 00:42:45,300
home

906
00:42:51,050 --> 00:42:48,599
been to a dance and he saw this landed

907
00:42:53,690 --> 00:42:51,060
object in a field and I went down the

908
00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:53,700
interviewing years ago he's from he's

909
00:42:59,510 --> 00:42:57,119
from the what Wiltshire area and he he

910
00:43:02,870 --> 00:42:59,520
didn't want anybody he told his brother

911
00:43:06,050 --> 00:43:02,880
and his brother phoned up the BBC so in

912
00:43:09,170 --> 00:43:06,060
those days the BBC fans turned with a

913
00:43:11,630 --> 00:43:09,180
big loud speaker on the top and they

914
00:43:13,430 --> 00:43:11,640
published an article on him and he had

915
00:43:16,069 --> 00:43:13,440
two guys come to see him and these two

916
00:43:19,490 --> 00:43:16,079
men said um look

917
00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:19,500
if you don't keep your mouth shut like

918
00:43:26,569 --> 00:43:23,760
we will shut it for you so he did shut

919
00:43:28,630 --> 00:43:26,579
it shut it for many years and then he's

920
00:43:33,050 --> 00:43:28,640
not the only one

921
00:43:35,750 --> 00:43:33,060
another similar psychic took place in um

922
00:43:38,210 --> 00:43:35,760
in Suffolk involving a guy called Mr

923
00:43:39,950 --> 00:43:38,220
Frost and his wife and they saw this

924
00:43:42,530 --> 00:43:39,960
triangular object come over they

925
00:43:44,930 --> 00:43:42,540
reported it to the police and they had a

926
00:43:47,089 --> 00:43:44,940
visit by two men and told him the same

927
00:43:48,829 --> 00:43:47,099
thing so who are these guys where do

928
00:43:52,910 --> 00:43:48,839
they come from

929
00:43:54,670 --> 00:43:52,920
um I mean we would also look at in the

930
00:43:59,270 --> 00:43:54,680
latest police book

931
00:44:03,650 --> 00:43:59,280
but the one from Burma which Chris Rolfe

932
00:44:07,190 --> 00:44:03,660
from the UFO MEC he researched into this

933
00:44:13,870 --> 00:44:07,200
was the Michael Howard's uh house he was

934
00:44:20,329 --> 00:44:17,150
I can't remember the day but uh but

935
00:44:23,089 --> 00:44:20,339
certainly 2007 or something

936
00:44:26,089 --> 00:44:23,099
um but that that was a very interesting

937
00:44:28,370 --> 00:44:26,099
uh sighting now you might say okay we

938
00:44:31,910 --> 00:44:28,380
can research sightings we interviewed

939
00:44:35,210 --> 00:44:31,920
the witnesses but again as with the

940
00:44:37,790 --> 00:44:35,220
Mansfield UFO crash I'm trying to keep

941
00:44:41,630 --> 00:44:37,800
my thoughts together here a similar

942
00:44:44,150 --> 00:44:41,640
chain of events happened where they were

943
00:44:45,589 --> 00:44:44,160
threatened and intimidated the one at

944
00:44:49,490 --> 00:44:45,599
Burma Marsh

945
00:44:52,190 --> 00:44:49,500
that was uh that was sort of as as Chris

946
00:44:54,530 --> 00:44:52,200
has told me you know you might find

947
00:44:57,770 --> 00:44:54,540
you've got a trouble with your phone and

948
00:44:59,809 --> 00:44:57,780
you get the the BT or GPO as it was in

949
00:45:02,150 --> 00:44:59,819
there they'll look at the phone and

950
00:45:05,270 --> 00:45:02,160
they'll say there's there's nothing

951
00:45:06,829 --> 00:45:05,280
wrong with the phone but then you you're

952
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:06,839
getting them in again and they'll say

953
00:45:10,370 --> 00:45:08,640
this there's something happening here

954
00:45:12,650 --> 00:45:10,380
and

955
00:45:15,109 --> 00:45:12,660
at the end of day that their phones have

956
00:45:18,349 --> 00:45:15,119
been tapped now who taxed these folks

957
00:45:21,650 --> 00:45:18,359
who gets authorization and again they

958
00:45:24,890 --> 00:45:21,660
were threatened so you know make no

959
00:45:27,890 --> 00:45:24,900
mistakes about this this is a pretty uh

960
00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:27,900
disturbing and frightening situation

961
00:45:35,930 --> 00:45:32,400
which has gone on for many years and for

962
00:45:38,450 --> 00:45:35,940
me publicizing it is what we obviously

963
00:45:40,750 --> 00:45:38,460
what we should be doing because who are

964
00:45:43,730 --> 00:45:40,760
these people

965
00:45:47,750 --> 00:45:43,740
how can they do things like this but of

966
00:45:51,470 --> 00:45:47,760
course they do I mean we will see

967
00:45:52,550 --> 00:45:51,480
shortly uh an alleged impact and that

968
00:45:59,470 --> 00:45:52,560
was

969
00:46:03,829 --> 00:45:59,480
she's still living Elaine weight from

970
00:46:07,370 --> 00:46:03,839
Southall in London and she had some

971
00:46:11,390 --> 00:46:07,380
sightings when she was a child

972
00:46:15,589 --> 00:46:11,400
of UFOs but the house and

973
00:46:20,210 --> 00:46:15,599
um subsequently in 1995 she felt

974
00:46:24,290 --> 00:46:22,790
like using this Loop hello I'm still

975
00:46:27,109 --> 00:46:24,300
there yeah

976
00:46:31,790 --> 00:46:27,119
um yeah this thing came out of her nose

977
00:46:38,089 --> 00:46:35,329
tissue and we actually had that examined

978
00:46:40,309 --> 00:46:38,099
at Manchester University and Professor

979
00:46:42,890 --> 00:46:40,319
Lorimer said it was made to hide for

980
00:46:44,690 --> 00:46:42,900
carbon it was the strangest thing he'd

981
00:46:46,190 --> 00:46:44,700
ever seen in his life

982
00:46:49,730 --> 00:46:46,200
see so

983
00:46:52,790 --> 00:46:49,740
and she

984
00:46:54,190 --> 00:46:52,800
she actually had a lot of attention by

985
00:46:57,349 --> 00:46:54,200
the mod

986
00:47:00,530 --> 00:46:57,359
who followed her around now I know that

987
00:47:03,410 --> 00:47:00,540
because because well let me say I know

988
00:47:05,750 --> 00:47:03,420
they followed her around but I suppose

989
00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:05,760
if you talk to the likes of Nick Pope

990
00:47:11,510 --> 00:47:08,400
very nice man he would probably say the

991
00:47:12,550 --> 00:47:11,520
mod didn't investigate or get involved

992
00:47:16,910 --> 00:47:12,560
inside

993
00:47:20,510 --> 00:47:16,920
that but I do know that they did

994
00:47:23,990 --> 00:47:20,520
followed her and she she represented

995
00:47:27,170 --> 00:47:24,000
intimidation but a lot of them letters

996
00:47:30,410 --> 00:47:27,180
were tampered with now again Timothy

997
00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:30,420
good Philip mantle others including

998
00:47:34,730 --> 00:47:32,400
grain Birdsall

999
00:47:37,490 --> 00:47:34,740
um their letters were tampered with some

1000
00:47:39,109 --> 00:47:37,500
one people come with letters anyway when

1001
00:47:41,270 --> 00:47:39,119
they could just open them up have a look

1002
00:47:44,089 --> 00:47:41,280
inside and reseal them but it's like

1003
00:47:47,050 --> 00:47:44,099
getting a message across and so many

1004
00:47:49,849 --> 00:47:47,060
people I've spoke to have had similar

1005
00:47:50,650 --> 00:47:49,859
problems so but the thing with Elaine

1006
00:47:54,290 --> 00:47:50,660
weight

1007
00:47:57,010 --> 00:47:54,300
is that she had a lot of trouble with

1008
00:48:00,650 --> 00:47:57,020
letters going missing from the house

1009
00:48:04,069 --> 00:48:00,660
and bogus post office workers that would

1010
00:48:06,589 --> 00:48:04,079
come into the house so she even wrote To

1011
00:48:08,870 --> 00:48:06,599
Remember in all his mind instead of the

1012
00:48:12,829 --> 00:48:08,880
papers she even wrote to baroness

1013
00:48:17,750 --> 00:48:12,839
Gardner about it and Mariners Trixie

1014
00:48:20,710 --> 00:48:17,760
Gardener and this was this was

1015
00:48:23,870 --> 00:48:20,720
discussed and she was complaining about

1016
00:48:26,450 --> 00:48:23,880
a phone being attacked and then she had

1017
00:48:29,150 --> 00:48:26,460
a letter back to say from Bonus Gardner

1018
00:48:31,630 --> 00:48:29,160
to say that we can't can we can't

1019
00:48:36,530 --> 00:48:31,640
confirm or deny that your your your

1020
00:48:39,109 --> 00:48:36,540
phone was attacked but that is that is

1021
00:48:41,930 --> 00:48:39,119
up to the government isn't it so yeah

1022
00:48:45,050 --> 00:48:41,940
why why did she attract that sort of

1023
00:48:49,130 --> 00:48:45,060
attention what because she saw a UFO or

1024
00:48:53,030 --> 00:48:49,140
I I I don't understand but it is

1025
00:48:58,190 --> 00:48:53,040
um it happens all the time particularly

1026
00:49:01,550 --> 00:48:58,200
where such as the Mansfield crash even

1027
00:49:04,490 --> 00:49:01,560
the randlesham case and then the Burma

1028
00:49:06,910 --> 00:49:04,500
case and other instruments including

1029
00:49:09,410 --> 00:49:06,920
England police officers from Manchester

1030
00:49:12,230 --> 00:49:09,420
whose cited the UFO

1031
00:49:15,410 --> 00:49:12,240
even photographed it well we've got the

1032
00:49:18,410 --> 00:49:15,420
photograph here and we're then told by

1033
00:49:20,270 --> 00:49:18,420
two men keeping gobs show shut up or

1034
00:49:23,210 --> 00:49:20,280
something will happen so who are these

1035
00:49:25,970 --> 00:49:23,220
people so why do they go to these

1036
00:49:27,170 --> 00:49:25,980
lengths I don't I don't understand

1037
00:49:28,370 --> 00:49:27,180
because

1038
00:49:30,109 --> 00:49:28,380
um

1039
00:49:32,930 --> 00:49:30,119
we all need to know what these things

1040
00:49:34,550 --> 00:49:32,940
are and where they come from but I'll

1041
00:49:37,010 --> 00:49:34,560
just look at my watch and see how we're

1042
00:49:39,650 --> 00:49:37,020
doing shows

1043
00:49:40,970 --> 00:49:39,660
thank God it's five to nine I was told

1044
00:49:44,170 --> 00:49:40,980
that you're having a break at nine

1045
00:49:49,329 --> 00:49:47,329
oh ten past nine right and his drinks

1046
00:49:54,290 --> 00:49:49,339
all around is it

1047
00:49:56,870 --> 00:49:54,300
not okay so in a way I I apologize to

1048
00:50:00,470 --> 00:49:56,880
you for the way I'm presenting this but

1049
00:50:03,829 --> 00:50:00,480
I don't want to be I don't want to read

1050
00:50:10,309 --> 00:50:03,839
all the stuff because I think

1051
00:50:16,190 --> 00:50:11,950
you got it

1052
00:50:27,190 --> 00:50:16,200
[Music]

1053
00:50:31,970 --> 00:50:30,230
okay I mean we've got lots of Margaret

1054
00:50:35,270 --> 00:50:31,980
fries Leicester Cottons absolutely

1055
00:50:38,870 --> 00:50:35,280
lovely lady she had a fantastic sighting

1056
00:50:42,069 --> 00:50:38,880
in 1955 and

1057
00:50:49,849 --> 00:50:45,770
she she went returned to the Sea and

1058
00:50:52,790 --> 00:50:49,859
site and Betsy I think it was 2007 and I

1059
00:50:55,609 --> 00:50:52,800
went down with her and basically she was

1060
00:50:57,950 --> 00:50:55,619
trying to contact the children that have

1061
00:51:00,290 --> 00:50:57,960
seen this this object because what had

1062
00:51:02,150 --> 00:51:00,300
happened she was on on the way as I said

1063
00:51:04,430 --> 00:51:02,160
before the doctor regards that they get

1064
00:51:07,910 --> 00:51:04,440
some medicine for his son

1065
00:51:10,370 --> 00:51:07,920
and they saw the sources saved object

1066
00:51:11,870 --> 00:51:10,380
um after the break I promise you we will

1067
00:51:13,730 --> 00:51:11,880
get a little crack on we're getting

1068
00:51:14,930 --> 00:51:13,740
these illustrations and bits of films

1069
00:51:16,790 --> 00:51:14,940
and things

1070
00:51:19,010 --> 00:51:16,800
um she saw this hovering above the road

1071
00:51:21,470 --> 00:51:19,020
a few feet off the road and it was a

1072
00:51:23,450 --> 00:51:21,480
classic what what we would call an

1073
00:51:25,970 --> 00:51:23,460
adansky

1074
00:51:28,670 --> 00:51:25,980
um shaped object and years ago I thought

1075
00:51:31,490 --> 00:51:28,680
that George danced his stuff was I

1076
00:51:34,609 --> 00:51:31,500
thought it was fake but now people have

1077
00:51:36,829 --> 00:51:34,619
described the adamski type craft with

1078
00:51:39,890 --> 00:51:36,839
the three going back to number three

1079
00:51:42,230 --> 00:51:39,900
again the three Globes set in the basis

1080
00:51:44,750 --> 00:51:42,240
of the base of the craft in a

1081
00:51:47,030 --> 00:51:44,760
hemispherical position forming a

1082
00:51:50,930 --> 00:51:47,040
triangle yeah I mean that's weird but

1083
00:51:54,710 --> 00:51:50,940
that's what that's what Margaret saw and

1084
00:51:57,650 --> 00:51:54,720
um she she as I say she um she reported

1085
00:52:00,109 --> 00:51:57,660
it and subsequently when we went down

1086
00:52:04,430 --> 00:52:00,119
there it was already traced a copper

1087
00:52:06,829 --> 00:52:04,440
called Jim streaks passed away and Jim's

1088
00:52:09,290 --> 00:52:06,839
guy and he said he was on duty in the

1089
00:52:12,290 --> 00:52:09,300
police station and these people came in

1090
00:52:14,089 --> 00:52:12,300
and they complained about a UFO that had

1091
00:52:17,030 --> 00:52:14,099
been seen in the streets and he said to

1092
00:52:19,549 --> 00:52:17,040
research and the flying Source or UFO

1093
00:52:22,970 --> 00:52:19,559
and the sergeant said look for God's

1094
00:52:25,490 --> 00:52:22,980
sake PC streak he said are you mad he

1095
00:52:27,410 --> 00:52:25,500
said these things don't exist but Jim

1096
00:52:29,450 --> 00:52:27,420
decided to go and have a look so I went

1097
00:52:32,329 --> 00:52:29,460
up to the location

1098
00:52:35,150 --> 00:52:32,339
and he saw these men very officious men

1099
00:52:37,849 --> 00:52:35,160
clipboards making notes and he thought

1100
00:52:40,490 --> 00:52:37,859
oh this is right above my pay grade so

1101
00:52:43,430 --> 00:52:40,500
he didn't get involved then we traced

1102
00:52:46,190 --> 00:52:43,440
another guy Rodney Maynard who was on

1103
00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:46,200
duty the day before unlike copper sorry

1104
00:52:52,190 --> 00:52:49,440
he was doing some work on a local Culver

1105
00:52:55,010 --> 00:52:52,200
and he saw what appears to be an

1106
00:52:56,109 --> 00:52:55,020
identical object hovering just above the

1107
00:53:00,890 --> 00:52:56,119
ground

1108
00:53:02,150 --> 00:53:00,900
and um he he then uh found out a few

1109
00:53:04,490 --> 00:53:02,160
days later

1110
00:53:07,250 --> 00:53:04,500
he was covered in these blotches and

1111
00:53:08,930 --> 00:53:07,260
marks and certain folk high heels and

1112
00:53:10,910 --> 00:53:08,940
then a copper came to see him and he

1113
00:53:13,130 --> 00:53:10,920
said he said I'll give you some advice

1114
00:53:16,069 --> 00:53:13,140
one to keep your Gob shirt don't say

1115
00:53:18,190 --> 00:53:16,079
anything about it well lovely didn't uh

1116
00:53:21,049 --> 00:53:18,200
and then we we found some other

1117
00:53:24,230 --> 00:53:21,059
Witnesses including some children that

1118
00:53:27,530 --> 00:53:24,240
beaten while school it's all seen it

1119
00:53:29,690 --> 00:53:27,540
with the staff and pupils shades of

1120
00:53:32,270 --> 00:53:29,700
um broad Aiden County Primary School

1121
00:53:33,950 --> 00:53:32,280
this thing hovering and it's not

1122
00:53:34,870 --> 00:53:33,960
dissimilating it was hovering over the

1123
00:53:37,549 --> 00:53:34,880
school

1124
00:53:40,790 --> 00:53:37,559
so we we've got evidence from them

1125
00:53:44,270 --> 00:53:40,800
plenty of evidence and I think it was

1126
00:53:44,990 --> 00:53:44,280
the The Local News Shopper

1127
00:53:47,210 --> 00:53:45,000
um

1128
00:53:50,569 --> 00:53:47,220
actually published

1129
00:53:52,250 --> 00:53:50,579
um an article about it and there you go

1130
00:53:55,210 --> 00:53:52,260
you've got this the Margaret who's

1131
00:53:59,030 --> 00:53:55,220
suffering not well suffering from

1132
00:54:02,630 --> 00:53:59,040
breast cancer was down there sticking

1133
00:54:07,670 --> 00:54:02,640
letters through doors of households

1134
00:54:08,630 --> 00:54:07,680
trying to find children from 1955 who

1135
00:54:14,450 --> 00:54:08,640
could

1136
00:54:17,510 --> 00:54:14,460
she'd seen and I think you know people

1137
00:54:20,329 --> 00:54:17,520
like that is what it's all about she had

1138
00:54:21,950 --> 00:54:20,339
a passion she had dedication she was

1139
00:54:26,030 --> 00:54:21,960
very much involved with the Berlin

1140
00:54:28,910 --> 00:54:26,040
Mountain case with with Scott Felton and

1141
00:54:30,710 --> 00:54:28,920
and really one of the reasons why I

1142
00:54:33,770 --> 00:54:30,720
write these books and why I keep

1143
00:54:37,010 --> 00:54:33,780
catalogs are these people is they their

1144
00:54:39,530 --> 00:54:37,020
Endeavors should be honored because

1145
00:54:42,530 --> 00:54:39,540
without them what have we got you know

1146
00:54:43,970 --> 00:54:42,540
we haven't got a lot at all but she

1147
00:54:46,730 --> 00:54:43,980
should say she was a lovely at age

1148
00:54:50,750 --> 00:54:46,740
there's quite a few strange sightings

1149
00:54:53,530 --> 00:54:50,760
and that I look back as you do when you

1150
00:54:55,849 --> 00:54:53,540
think of people

1151
00:54:57,490 --> 00:54:55,859
incidents and one of them when she was

1152
00:55:00,170 --> 00:54:57,500
at bexleyheath

1153
00:55:02,410 --> 00:55:00,180
when we went down there to sort of a

1154
00:55:06,589 --> 00:55:02,420
reunion as such

1155
00:55:08,530 --> 00:55:06,599
we stayed a crook Lodge hotel and I

1156
00:55:17,410 --> 00:55:08,540
think about one o'clock in the morning

1157
00:55:24,770 --> 00:55:20,750
I went to the the toilet on the landing

1158
00:55:27,410 --> 00:55:24,780
and the doors slightly ajar no light so

1159
00:55:31,010 --> 00:55:27,420
I pushed open the door and put my hand

1160
00:55:34,250 --> 00:55:31,020
to get the switch and I felt a whack and

1161
00:55:36,770 --> 00:55:34,260
a scream and she was sat on the toilet

1162
00:55:39,530 --> 00:55:36,780
and she hit my bloody handles hardly she

1163
00:55:41,770 --> 00:55:39,540
shouldn't get out so I said it's me

1164
00:55:44,510 --> 00:55:41,780
Margaret she says

1165
00:55:47,089 --> 00:55:44,520
why would somebody why would the ladies

1166
00:55:49,450 --> 00:55:47,099
sit in the darkness on the toilet but I

1167
00:55:52,549 --> 00:55:49,460
I remember things like that as you do

1168
00:55:54,890 --> 00:55:52,559
and as I say she was a lovely lady

1169
00:55:56,510 --> 00:55:54,900
another thing she said and then I was

1170
00:55:58,910 --> 00:55:56,520
sounding boring and you'll see it on the

1171
00:56:01,790 --> 00:55:58,920
pizza she said John why haven't used

1172
00:56:04,910 --> 00:56:01,800
that photo of me she said because she's

1173
00:56:07,309 --> 00:56:04,920
and you can see from the photo the the

1174
00:56:10,430 --> 00:56:07,319
one of her breasts had dropped because

1175
00:56:13,490 --> 00:56:10,440
she's had a Massac to me I didn't know I

1176
00:56:15,770 --> 00:56:13,500
took a photo children she said John I

1177
00:56:17,990 --> 00:56:15,780
don't mind using that phone so but let

1178
00:56:22,130 --> 00:56:18,000
people know and I thought what a lovely

1179
00:56:23,450 --> 00:56:22,140
lady you know she she's an asset to you

1180
00:56:24,010 --> 00:56:23,460
know to

1181
00:56:32,170 --> 00:56:24,020
to

1182
00:56:34,930 --> 00:56:32,180
and she died

1183
00:56:38,510 --> 00:56:34,940
she died about six or seven months ago

1184
00:56:42,829 --> 00:56:38,520
and myself and Scott developed and went

1185
00:56:45,770 --> 00:56:42,839
to the to the funeral and uh sadly she

1186
00:56:49,609 --> 00:56:45,780
left me the left the English stuff to me

1187
00:56:52,010 --> 00:56:49,619
the Welsh started to stop but sadly it

1188
00:56:55,250 --> 00:56:52,020
had already gone

1189
00:56:58,370 --> 00:56:55,260
um so I won't mention it hard yet but

1190
00:57:00,650 --> 00:56:58,380
it's uh but that's how it is so that's

1191
00:57:01,670 --> 00:57:00,660
that that's that lady there

1192
00:57:04,990 --> 00:57:01,680
um

1193
00:57:09,530 --> 00:57:05,000
but yeah going back to say Prince Philip

1194
00:57:12,230 --> 00:57:09,540
my my ex father-in-law served on HMS

1195
00:57:14,270 --> 00:57:12,240
Kelly uh and the Lord willing about

1196
00:57:17,150 --> 00:57:14,280
Batman of course Lord Louis Man Batman

1197
00:57:19,690 --> 00:57:17,160
was interested in UFOs because I do have

1198
00:57:22,609 --> 00:57:19,700
information on some of the the

1199
00:57:25,190 --> 00:57:22,619
ex-shipmakes that were that then went

1200
00:57:27,650 --> 00:57:25,200
into left the Navy then went into the

1201
00:57:31,790 --> 00:57:27,660
receivers of course and they were

1202
00:57:35,089 --> 00:57:31,800
involved with him and um it's it's it's

1203
00:57:38,150 --> 00:57:35,099
pretty clear that he why not I I

1204
00:57:41,809 --> 00:57:38,160
understand that he had UFO files and

1205
00:57:43,849 --> 00:57:41,819
reports while he was on a board ship and

1206
00:57:46,609 --> 00:57:43,859
that's to say that's a lord moving out

1207
00:57:49,970 --> 00:57:46,619
back and then we have Prince Philip who

1208
00:57:52,370 --> 00:57:49,980
was very much interested in but but even

1209
00:57:55,549 --> 00:57:52,380
I think the newspapers gave one little

1210
00:57:57,349 --> 00:57:55,559
mention about uh about Prince Philip and

1211
00:57:59,270 --> 00:57:57,359
his interest in reading the whole group

1212
00:58:02,930 --> 00:57:59,280
of guys books

1213
00:58:05,089 --> 00:58:02,940
but uh I I don't know what happened with

1214
00:58:07,190 --> 00:58:05,099
the revised volume you see the cover and

1215
00:58:09,170 --> 00:58:07,200
you see it would be able to to look at

1216
00:58:13,430 --> 00:58:09,180
some of the stuff in there I don't know

1217
00:58:15,950 --> 00:58:13,440
why the palace the guy the guy he's he's

1218
00:58:18,530 --> 00:58:15,960
secretary Prince Phillip's secretary was

1219
00:58:20,630 --> 00:58:18,540
a guy called Brigadier Archie Miller

1220
00:58:23,329 --> 00:58:20,640
bate or very posh

1221
00:58:25,609 --> 00:58:23,339
the only photo I could find of him was a

1222
00:58:26,329 --> 00:58:25,619
Prince Philip's funeral which was at the

1223
00:58:30,710 --> 00:58:26,339
paper

1224
00:58:33,049 --> 00:58:30,720
I I as I say I had letters from him

1225
00:58:35,690 --> 00:58:33,059
um thanking me for the books but when I

1226
00:58:38,750 --> 00:58:35,700
sent the broad Haven if you like

1227
00:58:41,630 --> 00:58:38,760
broadhaven book celebrating the Queen's

1228
00:58:43,190 --> 00:58:41,640
uh Jubilee

1229
00:58:45,950 --> 00:58:43,200
nothing

1230
00:58:49,789 --> 00:58:45,960
and I I sent two more lectures in

1231
00:58:53,630 --> 00:58:49,799
another book I got nothing so

1232
00:58:55,789 --> 00:58:53,640
I I think it's because there was a

1233
00:58:58,789 --> 00:58:55,799
picture of an alien on the front cover

1234
00:59:01,250 --> 00:58:58,799
but that wasn't drawn by me that was one

1235
00:59:04,910 --> 00:59:01,260
of the kids at broadland County Primary

1236
00:59:07,390 --> 00:59:04,920
School that Drew it so you would think I

1237
00:59:11,089 --> 00:59:07,400
I suppose they have that right

1238
00:59:11,750 --> 00:59:11,099
as a royal family they have the right to

1239
00:59:13,730 --> 00:59:11,760
um

1240
00:59:17,270 --> 00:59:13,740
just ignore you

1241
00:59:20,030 --> 00:59:17,280
just fail to answer your letters but I

1242
00:59:22,849 --> 00:59:20,040
was pretty paid off actually because

1243
00:59:25,849 --> 00:59:22,859
I've gone to a lot of trouble to

1244
00:59:28,490 --> 00:59:25,859
research into that and it's uh it's

1245
00:59:30,650 --> 00:59:28,500
certainly a fascinating book again with

1246
00:59:32,930 --> 00:59:30,660
the Wiltshire book The Wiltshire book I

1247
00:59:35,390 --> 00:59:32,940
spent a lot of years in Wiltshire Indian

1248
00:59:38,930 --> 00:59:35,400
people keeping by the side of the road

1249
00:59:41,329 --> 00:59:38,940
to tell many funny stories about that

1250
00:59:43,970 --> 00:59:41,339
um and I thought oh this is fantastic

1251
00:59:46,010 --> 00:59:43,980
and it is and it was in fact we've got

1252
00:59:48,670 --> 00:59:46,020
to get out of the hinge Bookshop in ay3

1253
00:59:52,549 --> 00:59:48,680
because

1254
00:59:53,870 --> 00:59:52,559
the book was published in 2016 so we

1255
00:59:59,690 --> 00:59:53,880
couldn't get

1256
01:00:02,030 --> 00:59:59,700
all I can do is take a book down there

1257
01:00:03,530 --> 01:00:02,040
and then tell people to try and buy it

1258
01:00:08,270 --> 01:00:03,540
because it was the best book you could

1259
01:00:10,370 --> 01:00:08,280
ever get I mean shuttlewood family so

1260
01:00:11,890 --> 01:00:10,380
many others we interviewed and track

1261
01:00:14,569 --> 01:00:11,900
people down

1262
01:00:16,910 --> 01:00:14,579
but not one of the newspapers was

1263
01:00:20,450 --> 01:00:16,920
interested nobody's interested in the

1264
01:00:22,670 --> 01:00:20,460
books that I do so if it must tell you

1265
01:00:25,089 --> 01:00:22,680
something that they perhaps it

1266
01:00:27,829 --> 01:00:25,099
represents a threat or I don't know

1267
01:00:29,270 --> 01:00:27,839
because they're well they're well

1268
01:00:34,430 --> 01:00:29,280
researched

1269
01:00:36,410 --> 01:00:34,440
I I I I I I I I thought as much as I can

1270
01:00:39,289 --> 01:00:36,420
into them

1271
01:00:43,250 --> 01:00:39,299
um but not the sort of books that they

1272
01:00:45,430 --> 01:00:43,260
particularly like I I don't know a

1273
01:00:48,309 --> 01:00:45,440
wheelchair book is a good one isn't it

1274
01:00:53,289 --> 01:00:48,319
are you ready

1275
01:00:56,690 --> 01:00:53,299
I haven't really either no but yeah

1276
01:00:59,630 --> 01:00:56,700
are you expect a free one oh God yeah

1277
01:01:02,569 --> 01:00:59,640
but but I've enjoyed it you know for me

1278
01:01:04,549 --> 01:01:02,579
it's meeting people and it's meeting I

1279
01:01:07,789 --> 01:01:04,559
want you to guys guys and girls things

1280
01:01:10,910 --> 01:01:07,799
but he's making you tonight and it's

1281
01:01:15,170 --> 01:01:10,920
such a pleasure to come here and talk

1282
01:01:17,230 --> 01:01:15,180
and then you know if I if we had not if

1283
01:01:21,770 --> 01:01:17,240
we got all day

1284
01:01:23,990 --> 01:01:21,780
okay then everyone did anybody eat ever

1285
01:01:26,390 --> 01:01:24,000
meet Omar Fowler

1286
01:01:30,470 --> 01:01:26,400
who we know of him

1287
01:01:34,250 --> 01:01:30,480
he he's a researcher from sorry sorry

1288
01:01:38,410 --> 01:01:34,260
Gap many years ago and then he came up

1289
01:01:43,510 --> 01:01:41,289
okay right okay then

1290
01:01:46,190 --> 01:01:43,520
start again

1291
01:01:48,770 --> 01:01:46,200
the can you see the picture again you

1292
01:01:50,510 --> 01:01:48,780
can this is Mr Omar Farrell what we're

1293
01:01:51,770 --> 01:01:50,520
going to do is crack on this is a lot to

1294
01:01:53,990 --> 01:01:51,780
do

1295
01:01:58,309 --> 01:01:54,000
um he was originally with a group called

1296
01:02:01,430 --> 01:01:58,319
uh side Gap from sorry uh and in fact

1297
01:02:03,109 --> 01:02:01,440
one of the incidents he was involved in

1298
01:02:05,210 --> 01:02:03,119
and bearing in mind we're talking from

1299
01:02:07,430 --> 01:02:05,220
remembrance not from any of the books

1300
01:02:09,349 --> 01:02:07,440
and stuff when the incidents are

1301
01:02:11,930 --> 01:02:09,359
involved I think it was Caravelle

1302
01:02:15,950 --> 01:02:11,940
airliner with

1303
01:02:18,250 --> 01:02:15,960
um an actress a grease actress who was

1304
01:02:21,589 --> 01:02:18,260
on the plane the number of other people

1305
01:02:24,170 --> 01:02:21,599
uh When the UFO was seen about five

1306
01:02:26,930 --> 01:02:24,180
miles away

1307
01:02:29,870 --> 01:02:26,940
um subsequently of course the airline

1308
01:02:33,589 --> 01:02:29,880
has just dropped down into a field of

1309
01:02:36,410 --> 01:02:33,599
sheep and blew to pieces and

1310
01:02:37,849 --> 01:02:36,420
um everybody on board the airline it was

1311
01:02:40,309 --> 01:02:37,859
killed

1312
01:02:43,970 --> 01:02:40,319
um I actually managed to trace some of

1313
01:02:47,150 --> 01:02:43,980
the police Cadets that were asked to go

1314
01:02:50,230 --> 01:02:47,160
and help in the clear and what they saw

1315
01:02:54,049 --> 01:02:50,240
of course altered their lives forever

1316
01:02:57,410 --> 01:02:54,059
and I know that Omar had put in there

1317
01:02:59,329 --> 01:02:57,420
was a newspaper article asking if any

1318
01:03:01,549 --> 01:02:59,339
other Witnesses could come forward but

1319
01:03:04,309 --> 01:03:01,559
this was a typical saucer-shaped object

1320
01:03:06,789 --> 01:03:04,319
and it was seen a few miles away from

1321
01:03:09,490 --> 01:03:06,799
where the plane

1322
01:03:13,789 --> 01:03:09,500
crashed and they were never able to

1323
01:03:17,030 --> 01:03:13,799
discover the source or how this incident

1324
01:03:20,089 --> 01:03:17,040
have happened but I certainly don't

1325
01:03:20,990 --> 01:03:20,099
believe that UFOs deliberately if you

1326
01:03:21,849 --> 01:03:21,000
like

1327
01:03:24,530 --> 01:03:21,859
um

1328
01:03:27,890 --> 01:03:24,540
deliberately singular aircraft but

1329
01:03:31,250 --> 01:03:27,900
sometimes if a UFO gets close to an

1330
01:03:34,130 --> 01:03:31,260
aircraft some quite frightening things

1331
01:03:38,589 --> 01:03:34,140
could happen so that's Omar I met him

1332
01:03:42,410 --> 01:03:38,599
again at um Gordon Creighton's funeral

1333
01:03:45,049 --> 01:03:42,420
Gordon craigner was was the young he was

1334
01:03:47,030 --> 01:03:45,059
the editor of flying saucer review went

1335
01:03:49,609 --> 01:03:47,040
to see him down in rickmansworth

1336
01:03:51,710 --> 01:03:49,619
Hertfordshire many years ago had one

1337
01:03:54,829 --> 01:03:51,720
folder with me he was sufficiently

1338
01:03:56,030 --> 01:03:54,839
impressed to make me a consultant for

1339
01:03:59,510 --> 01:03:56,040
FSR

1340
01:04:01,609 --> 01:03:59,520
and what a lovely guy I think we

1341
01:04:04,670 --> 01:04:01,619
mentioned that when he was 91 years of

1342
01:04:06,710 --> 01:04:04,680
age he was involved in a car accident he

1343
01:04:09,230 --> 01:04:06,720
was still in the hospital Ward and he

1344
01:04:12,349 --> 01:04:09,240
was doing still doing Flying sorts at

1345
01:04:15,170 --> 01:04:12,359
review with the FSR and I think there

1346
01:04:18,190 --> 01:04:15,180
was some copies go in there that's a

1347
01:04:21,770 --> 01:04:18,200
very professionally run

1348
01:04:25,370 --> 01:04:21,780
organization uh with with most of the

1349
01:04:29,930 --> 01:04:25,380
people involved were consultants for

1350
01:04:32,710 --> 01:04:29,940
scientific bodies and very professional

1351
01:04:36,950 --> 01:04:32,720
men so the

1352
01:04:40,549 --> 01:04:36,960
bizarrely probably what 10 years ago

1353
01:04:42,289 --> 01:04:40,559
uh Gordon's son asked me if I would be

1354
01:04:46,670 --> 01:04:42,299
the head to sort of find sorts of review

1355
01:04:48,530 --> 01:04:46,680
but I had too much work to do I I just

1356
01:04:51,589 --> 01:04:48,540
couldn't find the time so I had to

1357
01:04:54,950 --> 01:04:51,599
decline Philip that was his son's name

1358
01:04:56,750 --> 01:04:54,960
was going back to

1359
01:04:59,150 --> 01:04:56,760
um hope to say going back to the funeral

1360
01:05:02,630 --> 01:04:59,160
poem I was there and a number of other

1361
01:05:05,510 --> 01:05:02,640
people said the Omar passed away himself

1362
01:05:11,089 --> 01:05:05,520
four or five years ago

1363
01:05:14,210 --> 01:05:11,099
um and again all I can say is that the

1364
01:05:18,109 --> 01:05:14,220
funeral there was no wake

1365
01:05:22,510 --> 01:05:18,119
there was nothing after the funeral

1366
01:05:26,210 --> 01:05:22,520
um which indicates uh obviously

1367
01:05:30,470 --> 01:05:26,220
bang reminds the conversations I've had

1368
01:05:34,870 --> 01:05:30,480
with Omar many years ago he didn't get

1369
01:05:42,230 --> 01:05:38,710
I'd rather feel that he was abused

1370
01:05:46,130 --> 01:05:42,240
mentally and I'm only saying by what he

1371
01:05:47,630 --> 01:05:46,140
told me and of course he passed away I

1372
01:05:50,990 --> 01:05:47,640
got a couple of friends who went to the

1373
01:05:52,010 --> 01:05:51,000
funeral and there was no wake so in a

1374
01:05:56,329 --> 01:05:52,020
way

1375
01:05:59,390 --> 01:05:56,339
um I I I'm sorry Omar that I wasn't able

1376
01:06:01,849 --> 01:05:59,400
to get there so have a sip of that um

1377
01:06:04,010 --> 01:06:01,859
have a sick to celebrate his passing

1378
01:06:07,750 --> 01:06:04,020
pretty surely get it down your neck

1379
01:06:12,349 --> 01:06:07,760
right okay so but that that's Omar

1380
01:06:16,010 --> 01:06:12,359
that's that's his dog and he absolutely

1381
01:06:18,770 --> 01:06:16,020
adored the dog so I always said I got a

1382
01:06:22,670 --> 01:06:18,780
chance to show the dog and that was I

1383
01:06:29,990 --> 01:06:26,150
um he certainly produced Omni magazine

1384
01:06:33,529 --> 01:06:30,000
and with Omar when when he was in he he

1385
01:06:37,190 --> 01:06:33,539
worked the Derbyshire patch the amount

1386
01:06:41,049 --> 01:06:37,200
of flying fire triangles that were seen

1387
01:06:44,150 --> 01:06:41,059
moving over Derbyshire is is fantastic

1388
01:06:46,490 --> 01:06:44,160
and imagine the second can't you if

1389
01:06:50,930 --> 01:06:46,500
you're out there driving or walking

1390
01:06:54,950 --> 01:06:50,940
and suddenly out of the sky appeared

1391
01:06:57,410 --> 01:06:54,960
this huge flying triangle as it slowly

1392
01:07:00,109 --> 01:06:57,420
moved we're talking about 30 to 40 miles

1393
01:07:04,190 --> 01:07:00,119
an hour if that as it slowly moved

1394
01:07:07,789 --> 01:07:04,200
majestically overhead causing one to

1395
01:07:09,829 --> 01:07:07,799
think what the hell is that and it's

1396
01:07:16,910 --> 01:07:09,839
almost as if

1397
01:07:19,430 --> 01:07:16,920
doesn't give a damn whether human beings

1398
01:07:22,390 --> 01:07:19,440
see it or not and there was lots of

1399
01:07:26,750 --> 01:07:22,400
those sightings over the Derbyshire area

1400
01:07:31,549 --> 01:07:26,760
so going back to this actually was seen

1401
01:07:35,150 --> 01:07:31,559
in the Manchester area in 1996 and I

1402
01:07:37,250 --> 01:07:35,160
think I skimmed through the this was the

1403
01:07:39,710 --> 01:07:37,260
Pilot's psych English so I'm going back

1404
01:07:43,910 --> 01:07:39,720
but by the way that's what that's the

1405
01:07:45,829 --> 01:07:43,920
illustrations from Omar that he that he

1406
01:07:49,849 --> 01:07:45,839
drew and I've also got some film clips

1407
01:07:52,069 --> 01:07:49,859
somewhere uh that's poppy right that's

1408
01:07:55,130 --> 01:07:52,079
that's the pilot that's that's the

1409
01:07:58,069 --> 01:07:55,140
pilots in Manchester of 1996 and that is

1410
01:08:00,829 --> 01:07:58,079
the illustration that was released

1411
01:08:03,950 --> 01:08:00,839
um from the uh as I said from The

1412
01:08:06,470 --> 01:08:03,960
public's Records Office Declassified why

1413
01:08:08,569 --> 01:08:06,480
why she hate to classify I mean why did

1414
01:08:09,710 --> 01:08:08,579
they keep that I I don't know it's so

1415
01:08:10,430 --> 01:08:09,720
strange

1416
01:08:13,430 --> 01:08:10,440
um

1417
01:08:15,309 --> 01:08:13,440
published in the newspaper so we'll

1418
01:08:19,189 --> 01:08:15,319
shoot forward

1419
01:08:20,870 --> 01:08:19,199
and as I say that is very similar to

1420
01:08:25,370 --> 01:08:20,880
what the police officers are in

1421
01:08:30,130 --> 01:08:25,380
Birmingham in 1995 the year before and I

1422
01:08:32,329 --> 01:08:30,140
I think that this again was January 1996

1423
01:08:35,809 --> 01:08:32,339
and these are the sort of things that

1424
01:08:39,590 --> 01:08:35,819
we've seen in 1996 the the lady in that

1425
01:08:42,410 --> 01:08:39,600
picture Linda Jones my member serves me

1426
01:08:45,169 --> 01:08:42,420
right did stream Manchester out with the

1427
01:08:48,709 --> 01:08:45,179
kids saw this thing hovering over there

1428
01:08:51,289 --> 01:08:48,719
and um yeah I've spent with that many

1429
01:08:54,050 --> 01:08:51,299
times as a husband Trevor over the years

1430
01:08:59,809 --> 01:08:54,060
and that was seen over the West Midlands

1431
01:09:02,809 --> 01:08:59,819
area again that was 95 95 that was the

1432
01:09:06,650 --> 01:09:02,819
picture taken by the two coppers over

1433
01:09:09,950 --> 01:09:06,660
Manchester I think over on Trafford and

1434
01:09:12,970 --> 01:09:09,960
I'm those two copies of a visit by the

1435
01:09:16,309 --> 01:09:12,980
way to tell them to keep the Gob shut

1436
01:09:19,430 --> 01:09:16,319
right that's uh that's a police officer

1437
01:09:22,610 --> 01:09:19,440
I can't tell you his name if he looks

1438
01:09:26,809 --> 01:09:22,620
like me well who knows it's not me but

1439
01:09:28,490 --> 01:09:26,819
he's to do in the 1995 sighting now I

1440
01:09:29,329 --> 01:09:28,500
wrote to the

1441
01:09:33,169 --> 01:09:29,339
um

1442
01:09:35,030 --> 01:09:33,179
British astronomical Association at that

1443
01:09:36,669 --> 01:09:35,040
time because I thought there was a

1444
01:09:41,090 --> 01:09:36,679
mundane

1445
01:09:44,630 --> 01:09:41,100
explanation for these things and this

1446
01:09:46,970 --> 01:09:44,640
bloody idiot here sent this in the in

1447
01:09:49,010 --> 01:09:46,980
the post I mean just like this and you

1448
01:09:52,249 --> 01:09:49,020
can read the council discuss this matter

1449
01:09:55,070 --> 01:09:52,259
and the concern of Mr miles on October

1450
01:09:57,709 --> 01:09:55,080
28th we have instructed him to ignore

1451
01:10:01,010 --> 01:09:57,719
all future requests for information from

1452
01:10:04,250 --> 01:10:01,020
crackpot organizations he is flooded

1453
01:10:07,510 --> 01:10:04,260
with the same Moberly president the

1454
01:10:11,870 --> 01:10:07,520
matter is closed how Bloody Rude

1455
01:10:12,830 --> 01:10:11,880
the this is uh this lady

1456
01:10:17,030 --> 01:10:12,840
um

1457
01:10:18,610 --> 01:10:17,040
they were researchers from from the

1458
01:10:21,709 --> 01:10:18,620
Birmingham area

1459
01:10:25,630 --> 01:10:21,719
again an age escapes me at the moments

1460
01:10:28,070 --> 01:10:25,640
will come to me Alison I think but she

1461
01:10:30,770 --> 01:10:28,080
she certainly supplied me with some

1462
01:10:32,750 --> 01:10:30,780
fascinating reports about UFOs in that

1463
01:10:34,790 --> 01:10:32,760
area and

1464
01:10:37,610 --> 01:10:34,800
um yeah I think that was taken God

1465
01:10:40,330 --> 01:10:37,620
Almighty when I was 50 and don't tell

1466
01:10:44,930 --> 01:10:40,340
the audience how old I am now really

1467
01:10:48,050 --> 01:10:44,940
90. what do you mean 90 50.

1468
01:10:51,370 --> 01:10:48,060
um that was my 50th and sadly Marilyn

1469
01:10:54,050 --> 01:10:51,380
old work that was her name Marilyn

1470
01:10:57,290 --> 01:10:54,060
committed suicide jumped onto a radio

1471
01:11:01,550 --> 01:10:57,300
I'm in front of the train so it's you

1472
01:11:04,010 --> 01:11:01,560
know that's cutting that Admiral Lord

1473
01:11:07,729 --> 01:11:04,020
Hill Norton I wrote Admiral wall Hill

1474
01:11:11,450 --> 01:11:07,739
Norton he told me off for not addressing

1475
01:11:14,330 --> 01:11:11,460
him you know in the right Rank and then

1476
01:11:18,169 --> 01:11:14,340
said why don't why bother me anymore

1477
01:11:20,570 --> 01:11:18,179
contact Tim good is the authority and

1478
01:11:21,830 --> 01:11:20,580
then I ended up when he passed I spoke

1479
01:11:25,149 --> 01:11:21,840
to his son

1480
01:11:29,570 --> 01:11:25,159
her son is probably about 77 now

1481
01:11:31,850 --> 01:11:29,580
he had a grandson called sign Simon was

1482
01:11:34,070 --> 01:11:31,860
really helpful he was very interested

1483
01:11:35,810 --> 01:11:34,080
and I thought well maybe Simon might

1484
01:11:39,290 --> 01:11:35,820
have afford one of the books you know

1485
01:11:42,649 --> 01:11:39,300
the law deal Norton's grandson but then

1486
01:11:45,470 --> 01:11:42,659
suddenly bang no contact just they

1487
01:11:48,350 --> 01:11:45,480
switched off for me that's um that's as

1488
01:11:52,729 --> 01:11:48,360
I say yeah Lord knowing about baton

1489
01:11:54,709 --> 01:11:52,739
that's the gentleman uh would be one one

1490
01:11:56,570 --> 01:11:54,719
in the middle obviously that's Ted West

1491
01:12:00,470 --> 01:11:56,580
that's Mike's father-in-law we saw with

1492
01:12:02,930 --> 01:12:00,480
Lord Louis uh and he he went to the

1493
01:12:06,410 --> 01:12:02,940
palace and got a medal for uh he

1494
01:12:08,450 --> 01:12:06,420
actually shot the stooker down in 1941

1495
01:12:13,250 --> 01:12:08,460
as the Destroyer was

1496
01:12:15,350 --> 01:12:13,260
um sinking and he uh I I did see

1497
01:12:17,689 --> 01:12:15,360
obviously passed years ago but I said to

1498
01:12:19,189 --> 01:12:17,699
him well why have you got specimen

1499
01:12:21,590 --> 01:12:19,199
written on it and he said because I

1500
01:12:24,229 --> 01:12:21,600
couldn't afford I told the photographer

1501
01:12:26,149 --> 01:12:24,239
I could not afford to buy that the

1502
01:12:28,430 --> 01:12:26,159
photographer said look you know the

1503
01:12:31,250 --> 01:12:28,440
least I can do is give you that so he

1504
01:12:35,090 --> 01:12:31,260
gave him the specimension and that's

1505
01:12:37,850 --> 01:12:35,100
again that's uh that's Lord Louis in the

1506
01:12:39,770 --> 01:12:37,860
middle the the lady I think it's to them

1507
01:12:42,470 --> 01:12:39,780
would have been a left on there surely

1508
01:12:44,810 --> 01:12:42,480
the lady left or right leg in the left

1509
01:12:49,790 --> 01:12:44,820
that was his wife and obviously I knew

1510
01:12:52,790 --> 01:12:49,800
new is is well she was my ex-on-all

1511
01:12:56,689 --> 01:12:52,800
ago and then that's that's

1512
01:13:00,050 --> 01:12:56,699
um take to the right is that is a

1513
01:13:02,689 --> 01:13:00,060
location for writing yeah

1514
01:13:04,850 --> 01:13:02,699
right so there's there's like there's

1515
01:13:06,890 --> 01:13:04,860
all now this is the UFOs get the royal

1516
01:13:07,630 --> 01:13:06,900
steel

1517
01:13:11,689 --> 01:13:07,640
um

1518
01:13:12,830 --> 01:13:11,699
you obviously can't read it can you

1519
01:13:15,590 --> 01:13:12,840
no

1520
01:13:18,649 --> 01:13:15,600
but okay well apparently he was very

1521
01:13:20,570 --> 01:13:18,659
interested in Charles's face and UFOs

1522
01:13:22,490 --> 01:13:20,580
are funny enough I've got there's a

1523
01:13:26,630 --> 01:13:22,500
there's a cutting here

1524
01:13:32,510 --> 01:13:26,640
um close encounter uh princess RAF base

1525
01:13:35,990 --> 01:13:32,520
and this was in uh 2009 when

1526
01:13:38,390 --> 01:13:36,000
um a Nick purpose featured on it and the

1527
01:13:41,750 --> 01:13:38,400
UFOs have been seen by pilots and police

1528
01:13:45,709 --> 01:13:41,760
and tracked on radar now

1529
01:13:47,689 --> 01:13:45,719
um why on Earth did they I know about

1530
01:13:50,930 --> 01:13:47,699
this particular case why would they put

1531
01:13:53,689 --> 01:13:50,940
Lillian in the middle flying flying and

1532
01:13:56,030 --> 01:13:53,699
Nick boat at the bottom and then take

1533
01:13:57,850 --> 01:13:56,040
the Mickey so that that's that's how it

1534
01:14:00,590 --> 01:13:57,860
goes and of course on the subject

1535
01:14:02,810 --> 01:14:00,600
another lady that I met she gave me some

1536
01:14:05,689 --> 01:14:02,820
very interesting information was Becky

1537
01:14:09,490 --> 01:14:05,699
driver of Coronation Street Fair

1538
01:14:13,970 --> 01:14:09,500
she had some fascinating uh

1539
01:14:16,970 --> 01:14:13,980
incidents now when I contacted the Press

1540
01:14:20,570 --> 01:14:16,980
you see if I contacted the media the

1541
01:14:23,570 --> 01:14:20,580
Press I have one or two contacts and

1542
01:14:27,350 --> 01:14:23,580
this is bizarre unless it's crazy

1543
01:14:30,910 --> 01:14:27,360
uh Sensational or taking the Mickey out

1544
01:14:33,590 --> 01:14:30,920
of researchers that no one touches

1545
01:14:36,970 --> 01:14:33,600
uh which of course it doesn't

1546
01:14:39,890 --> 01:14:36,980
um do my confidence

1547
01:14:43,970 --> 01:14:39,900
it doesn't Inspire confidence but my

1548
01:14:47,630 --> 01:14:43,980
attitude is Booker is if I can if I can

1549
01:14:50,270 --> 01:14:47,640
raise awareness if I can show that these

1550
01:14:52,490 --> 01:14:50,280
UFOs are dangerous and I can show that

1551
01:14:54,470 --> 01:14:52,500
most of these bloody videos like this

1552
01:14:57,050 --> 01:14:54,480
stuff I haven't got a clue what they're

1553
01:14:59,870 --> 01:14:57,060
talking about that that is all I can do

1554
01:15:03,130 --> 01:14:59,880
but with the Becky case that was um

1555
01:15:07,750 --> 01:15:03,140
again she told me about somebody that um

1556
01:15:09,649 --> 01:15:07,760
as I say saw saw your phones

1557
01:15:13,010 --> 01:15:09,659
threatened

1558
01:15:17,030 --> 01:15:13,020
um but we here we have a Betty foreign

1559
01:15:20,209 --> 01:15:17,040
home Corey Legend met UFOs beam me up

1560
01:15:25,390 --> 01:15:20,219
hot potty well you know next to some

1561
01:15:28,550 --> 01:15:25,400
some young lady as uh as as

1562
01:15:31,189 --> 01:15:28,560
I've been pointed out next to last

1563
01:15:35,350 --> 01:15:31,199
buzzing years ago that would be a

1564
01:15:37,970 --> 01:15:35,360
topless model in the Sun but the 2019

1565
01:15:40,790 --> 01:15:37,980
but you know it was denigrating the

1566
01:15:43,010 --> 01:15:40,800
subject so the next one that that's

1567
01:15:46,189 --> 01:15:43,020
interesting that was

1568
01:15:47,510 --> 01:15:46,199
um cosmology news link they sent a

1569
01:15:57,770 --> 01:15:47,520
letter

1570
01:16:01,070 --> 01:15:57,780
um right the

1571
01:16:05,330 --> 01:16:01,080
the uh above I'll show you the above

1572
01:16:09,370 --> 01:16:05,340
honor in this Jubilee year of your brain

1573
01:16:11,709 --> 01:16:09,380
my amateur publication wishes to produce

1574
01:16:15,530 --> 01:16:11,719
a silver

1575
01:16:19,430 --> 01:16:15,540
Jubilee issue I couldn't do I can only

1576
01:16:22,729 --> 01:16:19,440
do so by making your Royal highnesses

1577
01:16:25,669 --> 01:16:22,739
um and your husband where your beliefs

1578
01:16:28,550 --> 01:16:25,679
lie in regard to matters not of this

1579
01:16:30,350 --> 01:16:28,560
world but others therefore to ask both

1580
01:16:33,110 --> 01:16:30,360
of you a direct question of the

1581
01:16:36,110 --> 01:16:33,120
followings do you consider it as a

1582
01:16:38,450 --> 01:16:36,120
possibility that is your opinion early

1583
01:16:41,930 --> 01:16:38,460
that there are other life forms in

1584
01:16:44,030 --> 01:16:41,940
spaces other than our own please note

1585
01:16:46,910 --> 01:16:44,040
that I have never written to a royal

1586
01:16:48,709 --> 01:16:46,920
person before it would therefore be the

1587
01:16:51,290 --> 01:16:48,719
first time I could get the views of

1588
01:16:53,810 --> 01:16:51,300
yourselves on these matters since I have

1589
01:16:56,990 --> 01:16:53,820
not read of many such views of private

1590
01:17:00,110 --> 01:16:57,000
by yourself or is Royal Highness Prince

1591
01:17:02,090 --> 01:17:00,120
Philip about two hours is that right if

1592
01:17:04,430 --> 01:17:02,100
you both hold any beliefs I would like

1593
01:17:07,430 --> 01:17:04,440
to know what they are and if these would

1594
01:17:09,830 --> 01:17:07,440
have to be private or for publication I

1595
01:17:11,810 --> 01:17:09,840
am sure however that all persons on

1596
01:17:15,169 --> 01:17:11,820
Earth whatever their stay

1597
01:17:18,110 --> 01:17:15,179
must hold some belief of this nature

1598
01:17:20,689 --> 01:17:18,120
it's just that we don't know for sure if

1599
01:17:23,090 --> 01:17:20,699
you have them can you tell me if you do

1600
01:17:25,370 --> 01:17:23,100
I'm sure your reply will be very

1601
01:17:28,490 --> 01:17:25,380
interesting if you feel this of course

1602
01:17:31,850 --> 01:17:28,500
warrants such a reply I wish to thank

1603
01:17:35,570 --> 01:17:31,860
you for your time in reading this and

1604
01:17:38,270 --> 01:17:35,580
and feel sure I shall not be sending any

1605
01:17:41,090 --> 01:17:38,280
more requests at least the next 25 years

1606
01:17:44,450 --> 01:17:41,100
God bless you all at Buckingham Palace

1607
01:17:48,110 --> 01:17:44,460
Long may you look after us all your

1608
01:17:50,630 --> 01:17:48,120
sincerely Edward Harris editor

1609
01:17:55,070 --> 01:17:50,640
um Buckingham Palace replied on the 11th

1610
01:17:57,890 --> 01:17:55,080
of July 77. Dear Mr Harris and commanded

1611
01:18:00,590 --> 01:17:57,900
to thank you for your letter of the 5th

1612
01:18:02,870 --> 01:18:00,600
of July ask him for an opinion from the

1613
01:18:06,410 --> 01:18:02,880
queen at the Duke of Edinburgh about

1614
01:18:09,530 --> 01:18:06,420
other life forms in space I fear that it

1615
01:18:12,649 --> 01:18:09,540
is not possible to do as you ask your

1616
01:18:16,270 --> 01:18:12,659
sincerely Hessel time so that's not Gary

1617
01:18:20,030 --> 01:18:18,410
I think

1618
01:18:21,229 --> 01:18:20,040
so let's let's

1619
01:18:22,490 --> 01:18:21,239
[Music]

1620
01:18:24,830 --> 01:18:22,500
okay

1621
01:18:25,970 --> 01:18:24,840
um that's that's one of the earliest

1622
01:18:27,130 --> 01:18:25,980
um

1623
01:18:31,070 --> 01:18:27,140
the the

1624
01:18:35,510 --> 01:18:31,080
Articles I'm a bit younger there surely

1625
01:18:37,430 --> 01:18:35,520
just a little but even in 1995 you can

1626
01:18:40,550 --> 01:18:37,440
see there look at some of the images on

1627
01:18:43,450 --> 01:18:40,560
there and the object to the um at the

1628
01:18:47,110 --> 01:18:43,460
bottom are seen by the police officers

1629
01:18:50,330 --> 01:18:47,120
oh my God that's another old one of mine

1630
01:18:53,090 --> 01:18:50,340
so before I actually published any books

1631
01:18:55,990 --> 01:18:53,100
I never had a problem

1632
01:18:58,990 --> 01:18:56,000
getting any of this in the papers never

1633
01:19:00,530 --> 01:18:59,000
as soon as I publish the books

1634
01:19:04,149 --> 01:19:00,540
Bang

1635
01:19:08,050 --> 01:19:04,159
stops unless our friend Brigadier

1636
01:19:11,689 --> 01:19:08,060
Miller Baker he's uh sixth from the left

1637
01:19:13,550 --> 01:19:11,699
wearing medals so I think again he's

1638
01:19:14,870 --> 01:19:13,560
that's in there surely so how does he

1639
01:19:20,990 --> 01:19:14,880
look on the screen

1640
01:19:25,370 --> 01:19:23,030
right so let's crack on that's that's

1641
01:19:28,850 --> 01:19:25,380
the one that the palace got the

1642
01:19:33,410 --> 01:19:28,860
wow they got a big truck about

1643
01:19:39,530 --> 01:19:34,970
all right

1644
01:19:39,540 --> 01:19:45,709
that's one that wasn't used

1645
01:19:50,510 --> 01:19:48,050
and unfortunately as I've pointed out

1646
01:19:54,530 --> 01:19:50,520
all of these um that's one that was

1647
01:19:56,990 --> 01:19:54,540
going to be used volume 675 to 77 to

1648
01:20:00,169 --> 01:19:57,000
cover the Welsh wave

1649
01:20:02,030 --> 01:20:00,179
um but that wasn't good enough and

1650
01:20:06,229 --> 01:20:02,040
there's there's there is the actual

1651
01:20:07,669 --> 01:20:06,239
cover of the 75 to 77 and we've got our

1652
01:20:10,310 --> 01:20:07,679
friend Betty

1653
01:20:13,010 --> 01:20:10,320
um driver AKA baby return in Coronation

1654
01:20:16,729 --> 01:20:13,020
Street on the back of the book

1655
01:20:19,189 --> 01:20:16,739
um and that's and it seems to upset them

1656
01:20:21,050 --> 01:20:19,199
excuse me that's another one we didn't

1657
01:20:23,689 --> 01:20:21,060
use

1658
01:20:24,470 --> 01:20:23,699
that stops anybody ever heard the dot

1659
01:20:27,770 --> 01:20:24,480
Street

1660
01:20:30,610 --> 01:20:27,780
yeah yeah lovely lady and that's Brendan

1661
01:20:33,649 --> 01:20:30,620
that's Chuck Charles halt at the bottom

1662
01:20:36,290 --> 01:20:33,659
uh there's one did I do that I can't

1663
01:20:38,149 --> 01:20:36,300
remember if um the government and we did

1664
01:20:40,070 --> 01:20:38,159
that one volume eight yeah

1665
01:20:42,830 --> 01:20:40,080
that was fasting as you can see there's

1666
01:20:46,910 --> 01:20:42,840
a photo show in the stone some of the

1667
01:20:48,890 --> 01:20:46,920
stones that appeared and a single one we

1668
01:20:51,970 --> 01:20:48,900
didn't use that's when we did use volume

1669
01:20:54,470 --> 01:20:51,980
nine uh volume eight

1670
01:20:58,250 --> 01:20:54,480
volume ten

1671
01:20:59,750 --> 01:20:58,260
uh and that's uh pistachio yes volume

1672
01:21:03,110 --> 01:20:59,760
11.

1673
01:21:04,430 --> 01:21:03,120
and that that was the workshop book and

1674
01:21:12,110 --> 01:21:04,440
you

1675
01:21:13,669 --> 01:21:12,120
that is the Kevin Goodman uh who

1676
01:21:15,590 --> 01:21:13,679
um was

1677
01:21:16,729 --> 01:21:15,600
lived in the Warminster area

1678
01:21:18,669 --> 01:21:16,739
[Music]

1679
01:21:21,950 --> 01:21:18,679
and he's written one or two books

1680
01:21:23,990 --> 01:21:21,960
Charming gentleman that's his car he

1681
01:21:27,950 --> 01:21:24,000
recently passed away I think he'd had a

1682
01:21:30,530 --> 01:21:27,960
stroke but um so and that's him with um

1683
01:21:33,709 --> 01:21:30,540
dot Street

1684
01:21:34,490 --> 01:21:33,719
that's Kevin and All His glory with DOT

1685
01:21:37,490 --> 01:21:34,500
Street

1686
01:21:39,070 --> 01:21:37,500
a nice photo I think you've got to be

1687
01:21:41,689 --> 01:21:39,080
cursing in hell

1688
01:21:43,189 --> 01:21:41,699
that's him again I think you know Steve

1689
01:21:45,890 --> 01:21:43,199
Wells don't you

1690
01:21:48,490 --> 01:21:45,900
Steve came up and did a talk

1691
01:21:52,550 --> 01:21:48,500
at Steve with DOT

1692
01:21:56,030 --> 01:21:52,560
that was at the conf that was the 2016

1693
01:21:59,649 --> 01:21:56,040
conference that I went to Peter Padgett

1694
01:22:05,030 --> 01:22:02,149
did an online video with it on Skype

1695
01:22:08,209 --> 01:22:05,040
right yeah oh um I don't think Peter

1696
01:22:10,550 --> 01:22:08,219
likes cops he can speak to me

1697
01:22:11,209 --> 01:22:10,560
um yeah we'll go into that

1698
01:22:13,669 --> 01:22:11,219
um

1699
01:22:17,810 --> 01:22:13,679
yeah and that's Malcolm Robinson was

1700
01:22:20,630 --> 01:22:17,820
smashing locally is a nice guy that's an

1701
01:22:22,630 --> 01:22:20,640
illustration that's in warm it's the

1702
01:22:25,310 --> 01:22:22,640
flying sources

1703
01:22:29,750 --> 01:22:25,320
that's Matt Lyons

1704
01:22:32,750 --> 01:22:29,760
um Matt Lyons was head of euphora and

1705
01:22:35,209 --> 01:22:32,760
what a smashing bloke and as soon as he

1706
01:22:37,910 --> 01:22:35,219
he crashed out there before and went to

1707
01:22:41,270 --> 01:22:37,920
be a druid never heard from him since

1708
01:22:44,290 --> 01:22:41,280
just to speed on the face of the Earth

1709
01:22:46,610 --> 01:22:44,300
um so that's that's Steve and that's the

1710
01:22:49,490 --> 01:22:46,620
Arthur Shuffle Woods

1711
01:22:52,430 --> 01:22:49,500
um granddaughters is there

1712
01:22:56,390 --> 01:22:52,440
important disguise 50 years of the war

1713
01:23:01,970 --> 01:22:59,930
again that's Kevin because and that's

1714
01:23:04,669 --> 01:23:01,980
that's the award that was Prince

1715
01:23:07,550 --> 01:23:04,679
presented to dot Street and that's what

1716
01:23:10,729 --> 01:23:07,560
I got and looked um

1717
01:23:13,370 --> 01:23:10,739
still never mind and that's more of that

1718
01:23:14,990 --> 01:23:13,380
that's uh Peter badger on the right and

1719
01:23:20,870 --> 01:23:15,000
of course

1720
01:23:26,630 --> 01:23:23,030
feel like they're doing that

1721
01:23:29,209 --> 01:23:26,640
that's um that was it I think they um

1722
01:23:31,550 --> 01:23:29,219
presented a check

1723
01:23:35,570 --> 01:23:31,560
um so that's Brenda Butler on the left

1724
01:23:38,470 --> 01:23:35,580
dot Street on the right and uh this is

1725
01:23:42,890 --> 01:23:38,480
um taking inside this dot

1726
01:23:43,570 --> 01:23:42,900
that's Steve Meera and his wife

1727
01:23:47,630 --> 01:23:43,580
um

1728
01:23:48,830 --> 01:23:47,640
he's doing two months Steve it is he all

1729
01:23:50,990 --> 01:23:48,840
right

1730
01:23:52,610 --> 01:23:51,000
well this is good about it and that's

1731
01:23:54,950 --> 01:23:52,620
that's and now you obviously know which

1732
01:23:58,910 --> 01:23:54,960
one's Kevin

1733
01:24:01,870 --> 01:23:58,920
it's in the game let's get indicated my

1734
01:24:04,250 --> 01:24:01,880
house many many years ago

1735
01:24:06,890 --> 01:24:04,260
and that's when he went to see Philip

1736
01:24:09,470 --> 01:24:06,900
mantle and Philip gave him that picture

1737
01:24:12,050 --> 01:24:09,480
that was a hard disguise for me there

1738
01:24:16,370 --> 01:24:12,060
aren't disguise with volume revised

1739
01:24:18,590 --> 01:24:16,380
volume one is is because it covers so

1740
01:24:21,290 --> 01:24:18,600
many sightings from

1741
01:24:24,770 --> 01:24:21,300
um RAF servicemen from

1742
01:24:29,149 --> 01:24:24,780
in the world war and it was a pleasure

1743
01:24:30,189 --> 01:24:29,159
to to really speak to them we need to do

1744
01:24:34,070 --> 01:24:30,199
them and

1745
01:24:37,550 --> 01:24:34,080
that's that was the old cover for police

1746
01:24:41,689 --> 01:24:37,560
in the horns and skies this I think that

1747
01:24:45,050 --> 01:24:41,699
was about 2008 and that

1748
01:24:47,090 --> 01:24:45,060
um the police car and the object above

1749
01:24:48,890 --> 01:24:47,100
it the orange object

1750
01:24:50,689 --> 01:24:48,900
um what happened there it was a guy from

1751
01:24:54,110 --> 01:24:50,699
Canley police station

1752
01:24:57,530 --> 01:24:54,120
um Coventry a dog hanger was on his way

1753
01:25:00,709 --> 01:24:57,540
he was on patrol near the airport and he

1754
01:25:03,050 --> 01:25:00,719
saw this thing it just came from the

1755
01:25:05,510 --> 01:25:03,060
police car he tried to keep Chase and

1756
01:25:08,390 --> 01:25:05,520
his shot off over the airport he rang

1757
01:25:10,850 --> 01:25:08,400
the airport up and they said that it had

1758
01:25:12,830 --> 01:25:10,860
been seen and

1759
01:25:14,750 --> 01:25:12,840
um yeah I interviewed the bloke and the

1760
01:25:17,330 --> 01:25:14,760
next morning this huge crop circle was

1761
01:25:21,530 --> 01:25:17,340
found on the side of the road and this

1762
01:25:23,770 --> 01:25:21,540
is where we all make mistakes well he

1763
01:25:28,850 --> 01:25:23,780
didn't want to be named

1764
01:25:31,310 --> 01:25:28,860
so he was identified as DG but I I can't

1765
01:25:34,310 --> 01:25:31,320
as I say can't find I don't know it was

1766
01:25:36,470 --> 01:25:34,320
I've tried but that was a very genuine

1767
01:25:39,290 --> 01:25:36,480
sighting

1768
01:25:41,390 --> 01:25:39,300
and uh but that was being superseded

1769
01:25:45,110 --> 01:25:41,400
that is the cover of the police in the

1770
01:25:47,870 --> 01:25:45,120
haunted Skies volume one and

1771
01:25:50,390 --> 01:25:47,880
um that that is that is a fantastic book

1772
01:25:52,669 --> 01:25:50,400
because it covers so many

1773
01:25:55,430 --> 01:25:52,679
sightings by police officers and that's

1774
01:25:56,689 --> 01:25:55,440
made by the police helicopter and I'm

1775
01:25:59,350 --> 01:25:56,699
sure I wouldn't have been able to

1776
01:26:02,030 --> 01:25:59,360
arrange that but it was the the

1777
01:26:05,149 --> 01:26:02,040
co-author of the book inspector Roy

1778
01:26:07,729 --> 01:26:05,159
Teague he he managed to get the bloody

1779
01:26:10,370 --> 01:26:07,739
helicopter to land twist turned it round

1780
01:26:13,610 --> 01:26:10,380
to the right position didn't he and took

1781
01:26:16,490 --> 01:26:13,620
photographs and that's that's surely

1782
01:26:20,209 --> 01:26:16,500
and that's um as I say you can see the

1783
01:26:22,430 --> 01:26:20,219
the inspector uh with these this hand on

1784
01:26:25,790 --> 01:26:22,440
his um I don't know what machine gun is

1785
01:26:28,790 --> 01:26:25,800
but ready to fire so and that's it

1786
01:26:32,510 --> 01:26:28,800
that's some of the books obviously one

1787
01:26:37,070 --> 01:26:32,520
two three four five six have gone

1788
01:26:39,890 --> 01:26:37,080
um that was uh Gordon Creighton the uh

1789
01:26:43,010 --> 01:26:39,900
funeral and there's a letter from Gordon

1790
01:26:44,930 --> 01:26:43,020
that's Gordon and his wife Eve what Eve

1791
01:26:46,669 --> 01:26:44,940
was a lovely lady she used to do a lot

1792
01:26:51,709 --> 01:26:46,679
for the magazine

1793
01:26:57,290 --> 01:26:54,709
to make a nice respawn

1794
01:26:59,209 --> 01:26:57,300
that's Norman Oliver Norman Oliver has

1795
01:27:01,149 --> 01:26:59,219
just passed and it's had a lot to do

1796
01:27:04,610 --> 01:27:01,159
with before and

1797
01:27:07,189 --> 01:27:04,620
yeah I spoke to Norman quite a bit of

1798
01:27:09,550 --> 01:27:07,199
relaxed get that right

1799
01:27:13,550 --> 01:27:09,560
there's a lot oh

1800
01:27:16,970 --> 01:27:13,560
it's a blinky end of that one so let's

1801
01:27:19,129 --> 01:27:16,980
uh he's that no why is that what's

1802
01:27:21,229 --> 01:27:19,139
happening you were rotating it grow and

1803
01:27:22,330 --> 01:27:21,239
goes sorry he was rotating where I'm

1804
01:27:24,950 --> 01:27:22,340
going forward

1805
01:27:27,709 --> 01:27:24,960
yeah you're on the wrong button here so

1806
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:27,719
pressing the wrong then button was I

1807
01:27:49,010 --> 01:27:45,570
[Music]

1808
01:27:52,030 --> 01:27:51,410
uh iron Buckle

1809
01:27:55,310 --> 01:27:52,040
um

1810
01:27:59,090 --> 01:27:55,320
scarlet and mystery with Norman Oliver

1811
01:28:00,229 --> 01:27:59,100
about this Arthur Bryant guy she passed

1812
01:28:01,970 --> 01:28:00,239
away

1813
01:28:04,729 --> 01:28:01,980
um and that was

1814
01:28:07,669 --> 01:28:04,739
the Dennis plunket from the British

1815
01:28:10,189 --> 01:28:07,679
flying saucerview if you're a really

1816
01:28:11,810 --> 01:28:10,199
nice guy uh I don't know what happened

1817
01:28:15,350 --> 01:28:11,820
to all this stuff I think it might have

1818
01:28:18,669 --> 01:28:15,360
gone to Sweden but met him as a young

1819
01:28:23,030 --> 01:28:18,679
man he had a sighting of RAF

1820
01:28:24,070 --> 01:28:23,040
RAF base interesting so why does that

1821
01:28:26,450 --> 01:28:24,080
and then

1822
01:28:29,350 --> 01:28:26,460
well because I met the wrong bloody

1823
01:28:36,890 --> 01:28:32,290
one of these folks actually I see that

1824
01:28:39,830 --> 01:28:36,900
no I'm not going to come on I haven't

1825
01:28:40,750 --> 01:28:39,840
got me I actually I I I'm all right for

1826
01:28:43,910 --> 01:28:40,760
sure

1827
01:28:48,729 --> 01:28:43,920
so really I can't see anybody out there

1828
01:28:55,250 --> 01:28:52,490
that is that is Margaret Westwood she

1829
01:28:59,270 --> 01:28:55,260
was a police officer and she worked at

1830
01:29:02,810 --> 01:28:59,280
Cardiff uh City docks and she and her

1831
01:29:06,310 --> 01:29:02,820
husband Jeff ran the Birmingham group

1832
01:29:08,750 --> 01:29:06,320
um euphosis and she had an amazing

1833
01:29:10,629 --> 01:29:08,760
sighting over the that was her husband

1834
01:29:13,490 --> 01:29:10,639
Jeff

1835
01:29:16,189 --> 01:29:13,500
and uh that's one of the flyers I don't

1836
01:29:18,129 --> 01:29:16,199
know why is that taking them back alone

1837
01:29:21,950 --> 01:29:18,139
oh that's right that's that's that's

1838
01:29:25,790 --> 01:29:21,960
part of the archives that that's going

1839
01:29:28,010 --> 01:29:25,800
back to Margaret and Jeff they they live

1840
01:29:31,430 --> 01:29:28,020
next special Harbor on the golf course

1841
01:29:34,070 --> 01:29:31,440
in Birmingham and over the course of a

1842
01:29:35,450 --> 01:29:34,080
week the people were reporting all these

1843
01:29:36,530 --> 01:29:35,460
UFOs

1844
01:29:39,310 --> 01:29:36,540
um shooting

1845
01:29:42,910 --> 01:29:39,320
and moving over the skies

1846
01:29:45,350 --> 01:29:42,920
and um she managed to recover some metal

1847
01:29:49,010 --> 01:29:45,360
uh that was the sort of thing they were

1848
01:29:51,950 --> 01:29:49,020
seeing that it was the mo denied they

1849
01:29:54,250 --> 01:29:51,960
said they were seeing planets now all

1850
01:29:56,050 --> 01:29:54,260
the Margaret's stuff went to before

1851
01:29:59,090 --> 01:29:56,060
before

1852
01:30:02,629 --> 01:29:59,100
we received anything so if you look at

1853
01:30:06,050 --> 01:30:02,639
those scant details uh and all the

1854
01:30:08,570 --> 01:30:06,060
witness statements have disappeared well

1855
01:30:11,689 --> 01:30:08,580
I don't know how the Army before but

1856
01:30:14,209 --> 01:30:11,699
it's a shame but she's passed away that

1857
01:30:17,450 --> 01:30:14,219
was uh and that was another guy that

1858
01:30:22,430 --> 01:30:17,460
worked for them he he found some Metro

1859
01:30:25,070 --> 01:30:22,440
uh following a UFO sighting over a place

1860
01:30:26,990 --> 01:30:25,080
in Birmingham that's her dog that

1861
01:30:29,450 --> 01:30:27,000
frightened me to below the death and

1862
01:30:32,510 --> 01:30:29,460
probably passed away now

1863
01:30:34,550 --> 01:30:32,520
um but they they I'm sorry for the night

1864
01:30:36,470 --> 01:30:34,560
at the beginning now that is the best

1865
01:30:40,390 --> 01:30:36,480
meal that's ever been cooked for me in

1866
01:30:45,169 --> 01:30:43,010
sure they put that it actually makes me

1867
01:30:48,110 --> 01:30:45,179
feel quite hungry I think we've gone

1868
01:30:50,750 --> 01:30:48,120
back yet that was so we'll quickly come

1869
01:30:52,610 --> 01:30:50,760
to the next one

1870
01:30:55,129 --> 01:30:52,620
sorry

1871
01:30:57,590 --> 01:30:55,139
I think we'll just show you some

1872
01:31:01,790 --> 01:30:57,600
pictures of the archive

1873
01:31:04,729 --> 01:31:01,800
and that was that was the early days

1874
01:31:06,950 --> 01:31:04,739
so you can see there isn't much there as

1875
01:31:09,110 --> 01:31:06,960
such that was the old folders we got rid

1876
01:31:11,570 --> 01:31:09,120
of all of them didn't we

1877
01:31:13,250 --> 01:31:11,580
that's that was we've changed all that

1878
01:31:17,090 --> 01:31:13,260
but that's

1879
01:31:22,970 --> 01:31:17,100
um as you can see the the

1880
01:31:26,270 --> 01:31:22,980
um various UFO magazines and and folders

1881
01:31:27,770 --> 01:31:26,280
um yeah that's the royal couple I'd like

1882
01:31:30,770 --> 01:31:27,780
to think that they might come along and

1883
01:31:34,430 --> 01:31:30,780
open it next year but I I don't think so

1884
01:31:36,169 --> 01:31:34,440
I can't see what happened in Canada

1885
01:31:39,910 --> 01:31:36,179
that's all right

1886
01:31:42,290 --> 01:31:39,920
so we've got another chapter that I um

1887
01:31:44,390 --> 01:31:42,300
contacted was anybody ever heard of

1888
01:31:48,110 --> 01:31:44,400
Trevor James constable

1889
01:31:50,450 --> 01:31:48,120
sorry yes yeah yeah you've got a sky

1890
01:31:52,790 --> 01:31:50,460
Critters yeah give a bit of creams to

1891
01:31:56,330 --> 01:31:52,800
his Steelers really makes you wonder

1892
01:31:58,310 --> 01:31:56,340
doesn't he but he very much uh he

1893
01:32:02,030 --> 01:31:58,320
believed that the things of Sky Critters

1894
01:32:05,149 --> 01:32:02,040
very clever uh man as well and that was

1895
01:32:08,030 --> 01:32:05,159
one of the books scene in he endorsed

1896
01:32:12,830 --> 01:32:08,040
and that was I don't know you make these

1897
01:32:17,570 --> 01:32:14,750
what makes you think you know that's

1898
01:32:18,830 --> 01:32:17,580
that's oh is it all gone energy wasn't

1899
01:32:21,470 --> 01:32:18,840
he

1900
01:32:23,090 --> 01:32:21,480
felt that you could produce this stuff

1901
01:32:26,090 --> 01:32:23,100
and pick it up

1902
01:32:28,610 --> 01:32:26,100
so these tubes and that's the sort of

1903
01:32:31,490 --> 01:32:28,620
things it was seen I mean is that what

1904
01:32:34,490 --> 01:32:31,500
UFOs are about all right that's the

1905
01:32:37,189 --> 01:32:34,500
Yorkshire UFO Society compensate by

1906
01:32:39,649 --> 01:32:37,199
Philip mantle on the right gray and bird

1907
01:32:42,169 --> 01:32:39,659
saw and I think

1908
01:32:44,990 --> 01:32:42,179
yeah yeah my personal yeah of course

1909
01:32:47,649 --> 01:32:45,000
yeah yeah interesting

1910
01:32:51,290 --> 01:32:47,659
yes I don't know after least

1911
01:32:56,690 --> 01:32:51,300
ah Yorkshire UFO Society

1912
01:33:02,810 --> 01:32:59,270
[Music]

1913
01:33:08,649 --> 01:33:02,820
and I think Claire Phil sent me these uh

1914
01:33:12,830 --> 01:33:11,810
did you meet Graham yeah yeah I never

1915
01:33:16,010 --> 01:33:12,840
met him I used to have some

1916
01:33:19,070 --> 01:33:16,020
conversations with him but uh sorry

1917
01:33:22,129 --> 01:33:19,080
amazing guy you know what it was about

1918
01:33:25,030 --> 01:33:22,139
all those magazines that was the sky

1919
01:33:27,649 --> 01:33:25,040
watching caramel I think

1920
01:33:29,290 --> 01:33:27,659
I've got a new Foss really good

1921
01:33:33,830 --> 01:33:29,300
magazines

1922
01:33:35,629 --> 01:33:33,840
uh UFO magazine the rendition files and

1923
01:33:38,810 --> 01:33:35,639
that's um

1924
01:33:41,629 --> 01:33:38,820
that was Margaret where Margaret Webb is

1925
01:33:45,229 --> 01:33:41,639
a researcher or was a researcher from

1926
01:33:49,970 --> 01:33:45,239
the Worcestershire area and she used to

1927
01:33:52,850 --> 01:33:49,980
run a group called Sky scan and she

1928
01:33:55,790 --> 01:33:52,860
often told me as other members of the

1929
01:33:58,750 --> 01:33:55,800
group did that they had to keep removing

1930
01:34:03,470 --> 01:33:58,760
their files from the various houses

1931
01:34:06,229 --> 01:34:03,480
because of break-ins and files being

1932
01:34:07,729 --> 01:34:06,239
stolen from the houses now what was all

1933
01:34:10,370 --> 01:34:07,739
that about

1934
01:34:13,610 --> 01:34:10,380
um but yeah that was that was that was

1935
01:34:15,530 --> 01:34:13,620
that was Margaret to the left of course

1936
01:34:17,870 --> 01:34:15,540
they've all gone now some of them are

1937
01:34:20,510 --> 01:34:17,880
still alive but that was that was

1938
01:34:24,790 --> 01:34:20,520
Margaret and that was with I can't think

1939
01:34:24,800 --> 01:34:28,810
are UFOs yeah

1940
01:34:28,820 --> 01:34:33,649
at the UFO Series yeah

1941
01:34:37,970 --> 01:34:36,229
here and then that was the Jerry

1942
01:34:41,990 --> 01:34:37,980
Anderson yeah

1943
01:34:44,629 --> 01:34:42,000
yeah and then that's Margaret um if I

1944
01:34:46,129 --> 01:34:44,639
can if I look to the story I've got like

1945
01:34:47,810 --> 01:34:46,139
Margaret on the left obviously and her

1946
01:34:48,590 --> 01:34:47,820
daughter

1947
01:34:51,410 --> 01:34:48,600
um

1948
01:34:52,450 --> 01:34:51,420
but and that's her dowsing

1949
01:34:54,050 --> 01:34:52,460
um

1950
01:34:57,770 --> 01:34:54,060
Margaret's

1951
01:35:00,169 --> 01:34:57,780
um told me of of and he's in Wales and

1952
01:35:02,930 --> 01:35:00,179
all the details but they stayed at a

1953
01:35:05,090 --> 01:35:02,940
guest house she and her daughter for the

1954
01:35:07,669 --> 01:35:05,100
night and there were other people in

1955
01:35:10,550 --> 01:35:07,679
there and she said she had some real

1956
01:35:13,370 --> 01:35:10,560
trouble going to sleep and then these

1957
01:35:15,470 --> 01:35:13,380
apparitions appeared in the room and she

1958
01:35:18,590 --> 01:35:15,480
saw all these daggers and knives being

1959
01:35:21,290 --> 01:35:18,600
thrown about it terrified her and she

1960
01:35:22,669 --> 01:35:21,300
shouted and the landlady came up and

1961
01:35:26,090 --> 01:35:22,679
said something like well don't worry

1962
01:35:29,810 --> 01:35:26,100
because other people have seen this and

1963
01:35:32,770 --> 01:35:29,820
um Margaret recited the the um

1964
01:35:34,510 --> 01:35:32,780
uh recited the the

1965
01:35:38,689 --> 01:35:34,520
prayer

1966
01:35:40,129 --> 01:35:38,699
and it ceased and and other people

1967
01:35:43,010 --> 01:35:40,139
apparently had witnessed the same

1968
01:35:44,689 --> 01:35:43,020
phenomena she identified perhaps and

1969
01:35:47,390 --> 01:35:44,699
that's the sort of thing she she's got

1970
01:35:51,110 --> 01:35:47,400
that illustration done

1971
01:35:53,830 --> 01:35:51,120
and that's the story so again

1972
01:35:56,270 --> 01:35:53,840
and that's

1973
01:36:00,709 --> 01:35:56,280
a funeral

1974
01:36:03,290 --> 01:36:00,719
um and that for me is she she painted

1975
01:36:05,629 --> 01:36:03,300
these pictures isn't that beautiful

1976
01:36:07,790 --> 01:36:05,639
I mean it's just just

1977
01:36:09,709 --> 01:36:07,800
um she's very artistic

1978
01:36:11,629 --> 01:36:09,719
indeed

1979
01:36:13,570 --> 01:36:11,639
that's that's of course that's what's

1980
01:36:18,669 --> 01:36:13,580
his name

1981
01:36:23,629 --> 01:36:18,679
yeah but Hopkins because I met Bud uh in

1982
01:36:26,930 --> 01:36:23,639
2016 at the Truro conference

1983
01:36:29,450 --> 01:36:26,940
and that was a really nice guy and he

1984
01:36:31,610 --> 01:36:29,460
kept really complained to me at lunch

1985
01:36:33,770 --> 01:36:31,620
time because he said I didn't expect

1986
01:36:34,550 --> 01:36:33,780
much to Amusement I think Nick Pope was

1987
01:36:37,970 --> 01:36:34,560
there

1988
01:36:42,169 --> 01:36:37,980
and Nick Pope was talking about police

1989
01:36:47,149 --> 01:36:42,179
and UFOs from you know saying that um to

1990
01:36:50,870 --> 01:36:47,159
the audience that if a UFO appears

1991
01:36:53,570 --> 01:36:50,880
um the police will be informed and they

1992
01:36:57,830 --> 01:36:53,580
will put this ribbon around the area

1993
01:36:59,930 --> 01:36:57,840
saying police line do not cross and then

1994
01:37:03,550 --> 01:36:59,940
the public won't be allowed to go and

1995
01:37:07,490 --> 01:37:03,560
have a look and see what's happening

1996
01:37:09,709 --> 01:37:07,500
right all righty but that's what Nick

1997
01:37:11,030 --> 01:37:09,719
was talking about and then Nick didn't a

1998
01:37:12,470 --> 01:37:11,040
runner

1999
01:37:15,110 --> 01:37:12,480
um I'm not sure if it's just Gary

2000
01:37:19,729 --> 01:37:15,120
hasleton maybe when you see Gary asking

2001
01:37:21,229 --> 01:37:19,739
but um yeah but but Bud said to me he

2002
01:37:22,310 --> 01:37:21,239
said I'm sick of it he said I've come

2003
01:37:24,770 --> 01:37:22,320
over here

2004
01:37:27,050 --> 01:37:24,780
and he said people in fact they just

2005
01:37:28,430 --> 01:37:27,060
want to sit on my lap they just wanna

2006
01:37:32,209 --> 01:37:28,440
they said I've been trying to make me

2007
01:37:35,330 --> 01:37:32,219
lunch for an hour but uh Magic guy and

2008
01:37:37,850 --> 01:37:35,340
that's him signing his book

2009
01:37:39,410 --> 01:37:37,860
um that's I think that's Phil and is

2010
01:37:41,689 --> 01:37:39,420
that an old bud

2011
01:37:43,310 --> 01:37:41,699
I've came to me about me there he is

2012
01:37:44,450 --> 01:37:43,320
again

2013
01:37:47,209 --> 01:37:44,460
um

2014
01:37:52,550 --> 01:37:47,219
that was my one of my lady friends some

2015
01:37:55,490 --> 01:37:52,560
donkeys ago gone Holloway um she met him

2016
01:38:01,610 --> 01:37:58,010
uh and that was it I think that was one

2017
01:38:03,890 --> 01:38:01,620
of these um alleged doctor please cap I

2018
01:38:06,290 --> 01:38:03,900
think it's Carol somebody

2019
01:38:08,570 --> 01:38:06,300
um missing time is a book that he wrote

2020
01:38:10,490 --> 01:38:08,580
It's

2021
01:38:13,189 --> 01:38:10,500
there's there's

2022
01:38:16,189 --> 01:38:13,199
um Stanton Freeman in the middle

2023
01:38:19,430 --> 01:38:16,199
uh Philip mantle on the right and Graham

2024
01:38:19,440 --> 01:38:25,550
that's David Boyle if you want

2025
01:38:28,910 --> 01:38:26,870
It Best Day

2026
01:38:31,810 --> 01:38:28,920
dehydrated boil

2027
01:38:34,810 --> 01:38:31,820
anybody like all exhibitions

2028
01:38:39,290 --> 01:38:34,820
it's the Tardis

2029
01:38:43,070 --> 01:38:39,300
in Blackpool yeah I I met

2030
01:38:45,890 --> 01:38:43,080
I met him at clacton when he gave a talk

2031
01:38:48,709 --> 01:38:45,900
um and you couldn't get a bloody virgin

2032
01:38:51,590 --> 01:38:48,719
you couldn't get a word you know I swear

2033
01:38:55,690 --> 01:38:51,600
to show up and afterwards other cup of

2034
01:38:58,810 --> 01:38:55,700
tea with clocks in the UFO group

2035
01:39:02,090 --> 01:38:58,820
[Music]

2036
01:39:05,350 --> 01:39:02,100
during the talk he said something like

2037
01:39:08,030 --> 01:39:05,360
with old bloody coppers have been

2038
01:39:10,070 --> 01:39:08,040
talking to that I'll refute that

2039
01:39:11,649 --> 01:39:10,080
allegation Dave and he said well shut up

2040
01:39:15,290 --> 01:39:11,659
and sit down

2041
01:39:17,030 --> 01:39:15,300
I was told but he he actually went to

2042
01:39:18,530 --> 01:39:17,040
render some Forest

2043
01:39:23,090 --> 01:39:18,540
and

2044
01:39:25,669 --> 01:39:23,100
um I was surprised at how he seemed to

2045
01:39:27,890 --> 01:39:25,679
attract what formed the bed at work were

2046
01:39:29,930 --> 01:39:27,900
called light phenomenon

2047
01:39:32,450 --> 01:39:29,940
um did I get crack on now a bit that's

2048
01:39:35,689 --> 01:39:32,460
him down at Clapton that's the sort of

2049
01:39:38,830 --> 01:39:35,699
thing that he was picking up on

2050
01:39:41,270 --> 01:39:38,840
um really weird stuff these are photos

2051
01:39:43,550 --> 01:39:41,280
uh from the forest

2052
01:39:46,490 --> 01:39:43,560
um it's another strange things we've got

2053
01:39:48,649 --> 01:39:46,500
a lot more that's uh UFO it was seen

2054
01:39:50,090 --> 01:39:48,659
seen overclocked and

2055
01:39:52,010 --> 01:39:50,100
um Ron West

2056
01:39:55,129 --> 01:39:52,020
um I've got the details that took the

2057
01:39:59,149 --> 01:39:55,139
photo X Coast Guard sighting UFO

2058
01:40:02,629 --> 01:39:59,159
hospital that is one West that is um it

2059
01:40:04,910 --> 01:40:02,639
was an official investigator there and

2060
01:40:07,370 --> 01:40:04,920
that's Brenda Butler to them there and

2061
01:40:10,490 --> 01:40:07,380
Ron to the right is they sort of ran the

2062
01:40:13,010 --> 01:40:10,500
group together that's Ron West on a sky

2063
01:40:15,470 --> 01:40:13,020
watch and there's only years that is

2064
01:40:17,570 --> 01:40:15,480
there he is again

2065
01:40:19,790 --> 01:40:17,580
and that's the sort of some of the stuff

2066
01:40:21,770 --> 01:40:19,800
out of Ron West's books the

2067
01:40:26,209 --> 01:40:21,780
illustrations by members of the public

2068
01:40:29,209 --> 01:40:26,219
during the late 1980s and 1990s of stuff

2069
01:40:32,149 --> 01:40:29,219
they sought over Suffolk

2070
01:40:35,030 --> 01:40:32,159
um that's true that with that one was

2071
01:40:38,330 --> 01:40:35,040
interesting that one there

2072
01:40:41,390 --> 01:40:38,340
um that was a guy called Peter Topham a

2073
01:40:43,250 --> 01:40:41,400
school boy and his sister saw these

2074
01:40:44,290 --> 01:40:43,260
things above the farmhouse in the

2075
01:40:49,310 --> 01:40:44,300
Suffolk

2076
01:40:52,750 --> 01:40:49,320
and um yeah the next morning these marks

2077
01:40:55,669 --> 01:40:52,760
were left and Export support UFO play

2078
01:40:59,689 --> 01:40:55,679
and that was what I'm pretty sure that's

2079
01:41:01,550 --> 01:40:59,699
what Peter toppen and his sister saw so

2080
01:41:04,610 --> 01:41:01,560
and that's Peter

2081
01:41:07,970 --> 01:41:04,620
a nice space again that's another photo

2082
01:41:10,910 --> 01:41:07,980
of the area that in fact is when Ross

2083
01:41:11,530 --> 01:41:10,920
Ron West passed away

2084
01:41:14,629 --> 01:41:11,540
um

2085
01:41:16,910 --> 01:41:14,639
this was made up for him and I'm lucky

2086
01:41:19,250 --> 01:41:16,920
to have got Ron's stuff because it was

2087
01:41:21,530 --> 01:41:19,260
all going to be burnt

2088
01:41:22,330 --> 01:41:21,540
um saying that's Dr Alvin hi Nick hi

2089
01:41:26,270 --> 01:41:22,340
Nick

2090
01:41:29,209 --> 01:41:26,280
in in Warminster that was

2091
01:41:31,270 --> 01:41:29,219
Lionel bear to the left maybe if

2092
01:41:35,229 --> 01:41:31,280
president would be for her

2093
01:41:37,910 --> 01:41:35,239
in fact he came over

2094
01:41:40,669 --> 01:41:37,920
Helen heinie came over and invited

2095
01:41:43,490 --> 01:41:40,679
people to a secret meeting in the London

2096
01:41:45,649 --> 01:41:43,500
area I still don't know what was all

2097
01:41:49,790 --> 01:41:45,659
that was about

2098
01:41:52,209 --> 01:41:49,800
um but yeah and that's high neck it um

2099
01:41:55,750 --> 01:41:52,219
United Nations

2100
01:41:59,629 --> 01:41:55,760
there is gaining wheelchair

2101
01:42:03,430 --> 01:41:59,639
that's a crop circle in wheelchair and

2102
01:42:08,090 --> 01:42:03,440
that's a friend of mine on the right

2103
01:42:11,450 --> 01:42:08,100
who had a fantastic sighting in 1955

2104
01:42:14,450 --> 01:42:11,460
Bill Dillon is his name and it was at

2105
01:42:16,370 --> 01:42:14,460
ramridge and again the Keats this was

2106
01:42:17,990 --> 01:42:16,380
written all the kids saw this object

2107
01:42:20,930 --> 01:42:18,000
moving over

2108
01:42:24,770 --> 01:42:20,940
and and I managed to track down some

2109
01:42:27,950 --> 01:42:24,780
more pupils and teachers that had seen

2110
01:42:32,570 --> 01:42:27,960
it and and the object that was seen at

2111
01:42:38,090 --> 01:42:32,580
randridge in 1957 is identical to an

2112
01:42:42,590 --> 01:42:38,100
object that was seen in 1947 over Oregon

2113
01:42:43,270 --> 01:42:42,600
by a team of scientists from

2114
01:42:47,330 --> 01:42:43,280
um

2115
01:42:49,910 --> 01:42:47,340
from a research center without fishing

2116
01:42:52,910 --> 01:42:49,920
and they saw this object and I think

2117
01:42:55,729 --> 01:42:52,920
there was Bruce Maccabee that said in

2118
01:42:59,570 --> 01:42:55,739
his opinion the sighting by the research

2119
01:43:02,570 --> 01:42:59,580
scientist and the sighting by by Bill

2120
01:43:06,490 --> 01:43:02,580
Dillon was one of the most authentic

2121
01:43:10,010 --> 01:43:06,500
incidents sightings never witness and

2122
01:43:13,669 --> 01:43:10,020
Bill Dylan who lives in UK not in the

2123
01:43:16,370 --> 01:43:13,679
best of health and also that's I think

2124
01:43:19,129 --> 01:43:16,380
that's high in her way but he he he's

2125
01:43:20,930 --> 01:43:19,139
done some lovely posters that's by the

2126
01:43:23,030 --> 01:43:20,940
way that spreads it to the right and

2127
01:43:24,830 --> 01:43:23,040
that's high neck we should get there

2128
01:43:26,750 --> 01:43:24,840
soon a week I think we've come to an end

2129
01:43:30,530 --> 01:43:26,760
of the second one yeah

2130
01:43:30,540 --> 01:43:34,450
have you have your drink

2131
01:43:34,460 --> 01:43:40,370
number three now

2132
01:43:45,530 --> 01:43:43,010
right that's um that that was around me

2133
01:43:50,450 --> 01:43:45,540
school that was the staff

2134
01:43:53,270 --> 01:43:50,460
School in in 50 57 I said

2135
01:43:56,209 --> 01:43:53,280
that was the score that was the object

2136
01:43:58,370 --> 01:43:56,219
they saw Illustrated

2137
01:44:00,830 --> 01:43:58,380
there it was the original one and that's

2138
01:44:03,350 --> 01:44:00,840
an illustration it was by David Sankey

2139
01:44:07,790 --> 01:44:03,360
and it was nothing to do with the nearby

2140
01:44:17,750 --> 01:44:07,800
Cardington uh airport so there's

2141
01:44:23,870 --> 01:44:20,870
nice that's that's Bill actually so that

2142
01:44:27,129 --> 01:44:23,880
that means what it is like 70s now

2143
01:44:30,470 --> 01:44:27,139
that's bill that's a Truro

2144
01:44:32,570 --> 01:44:30,480
that's uh bill and the never even be

2145
01:44:35,990 --> 01:44:32,580
more serious about it he said that was a

2146
01:44:39,709 --> 01:44:36,000
cutting going back in time I never

2147
01:44:43,729 --> 01:44:39,719
forgot we saw a UFO saves five policeman

2148
01:44:46,729 --> 01:44:43,739
there still Spellbound by Boyhood UFO

2149
01:44:48,830 --> 01:44:46,739
why put the bloody alien though next to

2150
01:44:54,229 --> 01:44:48,840
it you know E.T

2151
01:44:56,169 --> 01:44:54,239
which reminds me of the one show where

2152
01:44:59,830 --> 01:44:56,179
um the the

2153
01:45:04,010 --> 01:44:59,840
uh interviewed me

2154
01:45:08,290 --> 01:45:04,020
it wasn't the of the six but I I was on

2155
01:45:12,290 --> 01:45:08,300
the one show uh and then

2156
01:45:14,330 --> 01:45:12,300
they ended it by showing friendly E.T

2157
01:45:17,990 --> 01:45:14,340
cycling around the Moon I think it was

2158
01:45:20,689 --> 01:45:18,000
Keith Lemon took the proverbial p as

2159
01:45:23,209 --> 01:45:20,699
usual uh UFOs which reminds me of course

2160
01:45:26,390 --> 01:45:23,219
we all know what Professor Brian Cox

2161
01:45:28,090 --> 01:45:26,400
said about UFOs does anybody know

2162
01:45:35,090 --> 01:45:28,100
sorry

2163
01:45:39,590 --> 01:45:36,950
much like does anyone know what

2164
01:45:43,010 --> 01:45:39,600
professor Black Ops say when they asked

2165
01:45:45,410 --> 01:45:43,020
him it was the BBC interview and a lady

2166
01:45:47,810 --> 01:45:45,420
came out the audience and said what do

2167
01:45:49,970 --> 01:45:47,820
you think about UFOs

2168
01:45:52,430 --> 01:45:49,980
Professor Brian Cox he says a lot of

2169
01:45:55,970 --> 01:45:52,440
bikes and that's not that's on record

2170
01:45:58,070 --> 01:45:55,980
you know how I even wrote to him and

2171
01:46:00,109 --> 01:45:58,080
texted him and gone those tweeted to him

2172
01:46:05,270 --> 01:46:00,119
and I said why don't you come round and

2173
01:46:08,150 --> 01:46:05,280
look at these files nah no way so

2174
01:46:08,160 --> 01:46:46,250
[Applause]

2175
01:46:52,970 --> 01:46:49,729
so that's interesting I mean we're going

2176
01:46:58,010 --> 01:46:55,609
right that's another witness of value is

2177
01:46:59,689 --> 01:46:58,020
one of the school kids there and they

2178
01:47:02,990 --> 01:46:59,699
confirmed what have been seen that's

2179
01:47:05,629 --> 01:47:03,000
bill again I think I don't know why

2180
01:47:07,810 --> 01:47:05,639
we've certainly oh that that's um some

2181
01:47:10,250 --> 01:47:07,820
of the illustrations that bill has done

2182
01:47:12,830 --> 01:47:10,260
very impressive

2183
01:47:14,750 --> 01:47:12,840
um stuff

2184
01:47:16,750 --> 01:47:14,760
a flying source is strapped in America

2185
01:47:21,290 --> 01:47:16,760
even in

2186
01:47:24,410 --> 01:47:21,300
1971 that is that is uh John Dennis

2187
01:47:28,370 --> 01:47:24,420
Llewellyn 63 Masons were instructed by

2188
01:47:32,149 --> 01:47:28,380
Avon sadly passed away many years ago

2189
01:47:35,530 --> 01:47:32,159
um he he was the local sort of UFO

2190
01:47:38,750 --> 01:47:35,540
researcher there that's his wife Ruby

2191
01:47:40,010 --> 01:47:38,760
showing a picture with him and there's I

2192
01:47:43,070 --> 01:47:40,020
know there's a

2193
01:47:46,729 --> 01:47:43,080
that's it from him I think about stuff

2194
01:47:50,390 --> 01:47:46,739
around there that is 1960 that was where

2195
01:47:52,129 --> 01:47:50,400
UFO was seeing and it left marks and

2196
01:47:56,510 --> 01:47:52,139
that's John at the top left and the

2197
01:47:59,990 --> 01:47:56,520
farmer they're they're sort of um

2198
01:48:02,209 --> 01:48:00,000
sort of taping up the area right and I

2199
01:48:02,810 --> 01:48:02,219
actually bought this lot off

2200
01:48:08,510 --> 01:48:02,820
um

2201
01:48:10,070 --> 01:48:08,520
of Ruby for 800 quid so but it was worth

2202
01:48:12,290 --> 01:48:10,080
it because

2203
01:48:14,270 --> 01:48:12,300
well there's some interesting stuff

2204
01:48:17,270 --> 01:48:14,280
there and it's the least you could do

2205
01:48:19,729 --> 01:48:17,280
really that's Peter tape from Bristol

2206
01:48:22,430 --> 01:48:19,739
and heart Cliff lights the only photo

2207
01:48:24,890 --> 01:48:22,440
I've got of Peter

2208
01:48:27,410 --> 01:48:24,900
um a gentleman

2209
01:48:29,270 --> 01:48:27,420
these are the lights

2210
01:48:31,310 --> 01:48:29,280
um and that's the sort of things that

2211
01:48:33,530 --> 01:48:31,320
they were seeing

2212
01:48:39,950 --> 01:48:35,870
I don't know about his new mine's mine's

2213
01:48:49,760 --> 01:48:39,960
going to bed busted Taylor of course it

2214
01:48:56,090 --> 01:48:52,090
[Music]

2215
01:48:58,550 --> 01:48:56,100
Colleen Andrews and so many others that

2216
01:49:00,189 --> 01:48:58,560
I've met in the Wiltshire area silbury

2217
01:49:03,590 --> 01:49:00,199
Hill Wiltshire

2218
01:49:06,609 --> 01:49:03,600
man-made man pop group we're on top of

2219
01:49:09,410 --> 01:49:06,619
there and this this hexagonal thing

2220
01:49:12,470 --> 01:49:09,420
floated down landed on the side of the

2221
01:49:17,390 --> 01:49:12,480
hill and they saw what they described as

2222
01:49:20,030 --> 01:49:17,400
alien life forms moving up the hill and

2223
01:49:23,030 --> 01:49:20,040
uh many years ago I interviewed them and

2224
01:49:25,010 --> 01:49:23,040
then they were very genuine and you know

2225
01:49:27,530 --> 01:49:25,020
when I first started allowing this if

2226
01:49:29,570 --> 01:49:27,540
you just said to me if I don't have

2227
01:49:31,550 --> 01:49:29,580
indeed happened actually if I met

2228
01:49:34,310 --> 01:49:31,560
someone and they said I saw a UFO I

2229
01:49:35,810 --> 01:49:34,320
believe them if they said look we saw a

2230
01:49:39,470 --> 01:49:35,820
UFO

2231
01:49:42,169 --> 01:49:39,480
and they landed nearby and you'll never

2232
01:49:43,669 --> 01:49:42,179
guess we saw someone like alien beings

2233
01:49:46,850 --> 01:49:43,679
coming out of it

2234
01:49:48,830 --> 01:49:46,860
I I wouldn't believe them I mean I I

2235
01:49:51,290 --> 01:49:48,840
don't know whether these alien beings

2236
01:49:55,250 --> 01:49:51,300
are the beans

2237
01:49:58,129 --> 01:49:55,260
um but yeah these are so genuine people

2238
01:50:00,010 --> 01:49:58,139
that's no that's reg Presley I wish we

2239
01:50:03,649 --> 01:50:00,020
could have played Love is All Around

2240
01:50:08,390 --> 01:50:03,659
because he's such a smashing bloke wedge

2241
01:50:09,649 --> 01:50:08,400
it really is uh you know that's

2242
01:50:11,689 --> 01:50:09,659
um Philip

2243
01:50:14,410 --> 01:50:11,699
um

2244
01:50:20,870 --> 01:50:14,420
is that red is it on the left yeah

2245
01:50:23,930 --> 01:50:20,880
and bust it but yeah yeah I've saw that

2246
01:50:27,410 --> 01:50:23,940
that's that's busty with um what's her

2247
01:50:31,430 --> 01:50:27,420
name from the Staffordshire UFO group

2248
01:50:34,629 --> 01:50:31,440
um but Irene bot it's like and in the

2249
01:50:39,590 --> 01:50:34,639
middle is Irene Oakes

2250
01:50:44,390 --> 01:50:39,600
yeah uh is it Irena listen I know her

2251
01:50:46,669 --> 01:50:44,400
the lady from the adversighting in 78 of

2252
01:50:48,830 --> 01:50:46,679
a triangular shaped object which which

2253
01:50:50,030 --> 01:50:48,840
hovered OverWatch was away on the way

2254
01:50:50,890 --> 01:50:50,040
home

2255
01:50:53,570 --> 01:50:50,900
um

2256
01:50:55,070 --> 01:50:53,580
that's something else the expensively

2257
01:50:57,609 --> 01:50:55,080
came

2258
01:51:02,330 --> 01:51:00,770
that's outside the barge Club anybody

2259
01:51:04,810 --> 01:51:02,340
another basketball

2260
01:51:10,850 --> 01:51:07,370
so many and that's Pat Delgado

2261
01:51:12,590 --> 01:51:10,860
fascinating accounts and when he was a

2262
01:51:15,590 --> 01:51:12,600
woman

2263
01:51:18,410 --> 01:51:15,600
um you know he's a technician there

2264
01:51:21,590 --> 01:51:18,420
about the stuff that was being that was

2265
01:51:23,570 --> 01:51:21,600
moving over and being trapped on rhaegar

2266
01:51:26,030 --> 01:51:23,580
and they were all told to shut up and

2267
01:51:27,410 --> 01:51:26,040
not tell anybody about it that's

2268
01:51:28,609 --> 01:51:27,420
Gathering

2269
01:51:32,270 --> 01:51:28,619
um

2270
01:51:36,169 --> 01:51:32,280
that that's Gavin gibbons's brother uh

2271
01:51:40,850 --> 01:51:36,179
Robert Gibbons from Shropshire area and

2272
01:51:43,129 --> 01:51:40,860
Gavin wrote a book about UFOs over the

2273
01:51:46,609 --> 01:51:43,139
Shrewsbury area fascinating guy

2274
01:51:49,629 --> 01:51:46,619
eccentric that goes back to um sorry

2275
01:51:54,729 --> 01:51:49,639
that's Pat Delgado that's bad again

2276
01:51:57,470 --> 01:51:54,739
that's that's um Gavin Gibbons

2277
01:51:59,390 --> 01:51:57,480
and we sort of come in a bit of drift

2278
01:52:03,050 --> 01:51:59,400
here but that was going back to Colin

2279
01:52:05,689 --> 01:52:03,060
Andrews and Eartha Kitt

2280
01:52:09,229 --> 01:52:05,699
um they're sharing with Earth kit when

2281
01:52:11,930 --> 01:52:09,239
their book came out it's you know Norton

2282
01:52:14,229 --> 01:52:11,940
um those are rare photos of Gavin and

2283
01:52:18,649 --> 01:52:14,239
Robert and Robin

2284
01:52:21,250 --> 01:52:18,659
Guinness with this man in the 1930s

2285
01:52:23,629 --> 01:52:21,260
stand there there

2286
01:52:25,970 --> 01:52:23,639
loads of stuff coming out of the

2287
01:52:31,970 --> 01:52:25,980
spaceships that's the book he did

2288
01:52:34,850 --> 01:52:31,980
anybody anybody meet TR Dutton

2289
01:52:37,129 --> 01:52:34,860
Terrence Roy gotten anybody another

2290
01:52:40,609 --> 01:52:37,139
fascinating guy he had theories about

2291
01:52:43,310 --> 01:52:40,619
why UFOs appear and he managed to track

2292
01:52:44,930 --> 01:52:43,320
down the strongest of likeliers that

2293
01:52:48,649 --> 01:52:44,940
were going to appear in certain places

2294
01:52:52,510 --> 01:52:48,659
that was fascinating Sid Henley he was

2295
01:52:55,129 --> 01:52:52,520
from the Peterborough group I recall

2296
01:52:59,209 --> 01:52:55,139
northamptonshire that way

2297
01:53:01,250 --> 01:52:59,219
um again he suddenly passed away uh all

2298
01:53:03,010 --> 01:53:01,260
of their files went missing that was

2299
01:53:06,649 --> 01:53:03,020
some of the images

2300
01:53:10,310 --> 01:53:06,659
from uh from What was seen around that

2301
01:53:14,109 --> 01:53:10,320
area I think it was 1970s and that was

2302
01:53:18,050 --> 01:53:14,119
it was not sorry Nottinghamshire UFO

2303
01:53:21,410 --> 01:53:18,060
investigation Society so um

2304
01:53:23,090 --> 01:53:21,420
yeah that was again a fascinating

2305
01:53:29,629 --> 01:53:23,100
illustration

2306
01:53:32,510 --> 01:53:29,639
now that was Northern ufology that was

2307
01:53:35,689 --> 01:53:32,520
um she gave me a copy of that book which

2308
01:53:40,250 --> 01:53:35,699
I of the folder which I gave to

2309
01:53:43,250 --> 01:53:40,260
um Matt Lyons that was withdrawn and it

2310
01:53:46,010 --> 01:53:43,260
people speculate who that was well I I

2311
01:53:48,169 --> 01:53:46,020
don't know but can you imagine putting a

2312
01:53:51,290 --> 01:53:48,179
book like that out magazine like that

2313
01:53:53,270 --> 01:53:51,300
and then we're drawing it anyway for

2314
01:53:55,970 --> 01:53:53,280
those faint-hearted people into the lake

2315
01:53:58,010 --> 01:53:55,980
I thought I will for continue sorry

2316
01:54:01,669 --> 01:53:58,020
surely

2317
01:54:05,090 --> 01:54:01,679
um that was uh Philip um oh that was

2318
01:54:08,209 --> 01:54:05,100
Colonel well Wendell Stevens that I

2319
01:54:10,550 --> 01:54:08,219
communicated with many years ago and

2320
01:54:13,850 --> 01:54:10,560
that's a hell of a long story involving

2321
01:54:17,750 --> 01:54:13,860
someone called David Daniels who was

2322
01:54:18,910 --> 01:54:17,760
that is this his daughter Cece

2323
01:54:23,870 --> 01:54:18,920
um

2324
01:54:26,330 --> 01:54:23,880
Stevens but yeah now that is that's the

2325
01:54:29,570 --> 01:54:26,340
latest from the Isle of Wight that's um

2326
01:54:31,669 --> 01:54:29,580
Kath Smith on the left Pat Smith on the

2327
01:54:35,810 --> 01:54:31,679
right they're known

2328
01:54:38,870 --> 01:54:35,820
um no relation and that she's holding a

2329
01:54:43,010 --> 01:54:38,880
copy of youthful log uh in those days

2330
01:54:46,129 --> 01:54:43,020
from the Isle of white again the cath is

2331
01:54:48,410 --> 01:54:46,139
passed on the left but she gave me some

2332
01:54:49,870 --> 01:54:48,420
other files which I'm internally

2333
01:54:53,209 --> 01:54:49,880
grateful for

2334
01:54:54,890 --> 01:54:53,219
and they've been we wouldn't know where

2335
01:54:58,669 --> 01:54:54,900
they are now the urban system aren't

2336
01:55:01,070 --> 01:54:58,679
they they're all filed that's

2337
01:55:04,129 --> 01:55:01,080
that's a euflog

2338
01:55:07,189 --> 01:55:04,139
that's a new fog information that's Lane

2339
01:55:09,169 --> 01:55:07,199
cramp I have conversations with Len many

2340
01:55:12,350 --> 01:55:09,179
years ago

2341
01:55:13,430 --> 01:55:12,360
um cracking Rapport of the UFO scene

2342
01:55:17,890 --> 01:55:13,440
over

2343
01:55:25,010 --> 01:55:21,530
if you can have a look you can see there

2344
01:55:29,209 --> 01:55:25,020
are marks they are on the outside of the

2345
01:55:31,490 --> 01:55:29,219
field there which were the school boys

2346
01:55:34,430 --> 01:55:31,500
um saw these these objects about to

2347
01:55:37,609 --> 01:55:34,440
crash land over the field

2348
01:55:40,430 --> 01:55:37,619
and uh they they they told the

2349
01:55:43,070 --> 01:55:40,440
Headmaster and Len kramp eventually went

2350
01:55:46,129 --> 01:55:43,080
to have a look and

2351
01:55:48,590 --> 01:55:46,139
um yeah fascinating report he put in

2352
01:55:51,109 --> 01:55:48,600
about what he discovered

2353
01:55:54,709 --> 01:55:51,119
um there obviously no no craft or

2354
01:55:57,950 --> 01:55:54,719
anything but yeah it's just just

2355
01:56:00,050 --> 01:55:57,960
an interesting report that that's um

2356
01:56:02,209 --> 01:56:00,060
that's in there

2357
01:56:05,330 --> 01:56:02,219
sort of the letters he wrote

2358
01:56:08,450 --> 01:56:05,340
that is from the Isle of Wight it's a

2359
01:56:10,790 --> 01:56:08,460
bit a bit of a crappy illustration but

2360
01:56:15,430 --> 01:56:10,800
the guy that I interviewed there said

2361
01:56:18,950 --> 01:56:15,440
that's what he saw over the island way

2362
01:56:22,189 --> 01:56:18,960
now that bloke on the right

2363
01:56:23,990 --> 01:56:22,199
is Roger has anybody heard the flying

2364
01:56:28,850 --> 01:56:24,000
cross

2365
01:56:33,350 --> 01:56:28,860
of 1967 where I mentioned it before

2366
01:56:35,930 --> 01:56:33,360
um Roger Roger Wiley and PC Clifford

2367
01:56:39,530 --> 01:56:35,940
waycott I think it was the 24th of

2368
01:56:42,109 --> 01:56:39,540
October in 1967 were on duty

2369
01:56:45,229 --> 01:56:42,119
and they saw this formation of Lights

2370
01:56:48,109 --> 01:56:45,239
like a flying cross and they chased it

2371
01:56:51,109 --> 01:56:48,119
and he reported it to superintendent and

2372
01:56:53,750 --> 01:56:51,119
of course over the next few days that it

2373
01:56:56,090 --> 01:56:53,760
was downplayed they said they'd been

2374
01:56:59,930 --> 01:56:56,100
they were told they were chasing Mars or

2375
01:57:02,330 --> 01:56:59,940
things clearly there wasn't and they had

2376
01:57:04,129 --> 01:57:02,340
the guts to come forward and say what

2377
01:57:07,149 --> 01:57:04,139
they'd seen but what people don't

2378
01:57:11,209 --> 01:57:07,159
realize is that

2379
01:57:14,330 --> 01:57:11,219
1967 was absolutely chocolate with

2380
01:57:18,770 --> 01:57:14,340
reports flying crosses and for me a

2381
01:57:21,010 --> 01:57:18,780
flying cross is just past the external

2382
01:57:22,570 --> 01:57:21,020
what would you call it

2383
01:57:26,149 --> 01:57:22,580
external

2384
01:57:29,570 --> 01:57:26,159
surface of an object that doesn't always

2385
01:57:32,709 --> 01:57:29,580
show its full self in other words you

2386
01:57:36,770 --> 01:57:32,719
might see part of it and I have no idea

2387
01:57:39,830 --> 01:57:36,780
what the criteria is or the conditions

2388
01:57:43,430 --> 01:57:39,840
that make this happen for argument sake

2389
01:57:45,470 --> 01:57:43,440
in Wiltshire I've taken a photo of a

2390
01:57:48,350 --> 01:57:45,480
cylindrical object coming

2391
01:57:50,570 --> 01:57:48,360
if you like enter our dimension for one

2392
01:57:51,890 --> 01:57:50,580
better word because you only see half of

2393
01:57:55,970 --> 01:57:51,900
it

2394
01:57:57,709 --> 01:57:55,980
um so you know the the the stuff was

2395
01:57:59,990 --> 01:57:57,719
full of me in

2396
01:58:02,750 --> 01:58:00,000
the flying cross was a short-lived thing

2397
01:58:05,810 --> 01:58:02,760
that probably by the end of the year it

2398
01:58:08,629 --> 01:58:05,820
bleeds it out completely so again for me

2399
01:58:12,109 --> 01:58:08,639
think of a flying cross think of the

2400
01:58:14,870 --> 01:58:12,119
number of reports of squares rectangles

2401
01:58:17,149 --> 01:58:14,880
on the exterior surface of the UFO

2402
01:58:19,750 --> 01:58:17,159
thinking that the number of occasions

2403
01:58:22,790 --> 01:58:19,760
when people see squares flying along

2404
01:58:26,330 --> 01:58:22,800
rectangular flying along not just not

2405
01:58:29,330 --> 01:58:26,340
just saucer-saped objects so what what

2406
01:58:32,689 --> 01:58:29,340
causes this I I don't know and that's

2407
01:58:34,609 --> 01:58:32,699
Graham Birdsall and Hillary Evans uh

2408
01:58:36,229 --> 01:58:34,619
Hillary hasn't got it obviously they've

2409
01:58:38,030 --> 01:58:36,239
passed away

2410
01:58:39,890 --> 01:58:38,040
um that's um

2411
01:58:42,950 --> 01:58:39,900
is there anybody know where that is you

2412
01:58:44,709 --> 01:58:42,960
should know 100 foot yeah that's right I

2413
01:58:47,870 --> 01:58:44,719
couldn't pronounce it

2414
01:58:49,609 --> 01:58:47,880
but that was Scott Felton showed me that

2415
01:58:52,490 --> 01:58:49,619
and he showed that this is where the

2416
01:58:55,689 --> 01:58:52,500
bearing the Berwin mountains uh and I

2417
01:58:59,270 --> 01:58:55,699
think he said the box has gone

2418
01:59:02,209 --> 01:58:59,280
oh she's still there about three weeks

2419
01:59:05,270 --> 01:59:02,219
ago oh right and that's where the the

2420
01:59:09,290 --> 01:59:05,280
object was seen by the nurses

2421
01:59:11,750 --> 01:59:09,300
um now that's that's somebody somebody

2422
01:59:14,510 --> 01:59:11,760
sent me that clear as far as I know it

2423
01:59:17,040 --> 01:59:14,520
wasn't triangular that that's that's the

2424
01:59:17,209 --> 01:59:17,050
plan is what they saw

2425
01:59:18,770 --> 01:59:17,219
[Music]

2426
01:59:21,250 --> 01:59:18,780
um

2427
01:59:24,589 --> 01:59:21,260
yeah

2428
01:59:26,689 --> 01:59:24,599
that's that's another sighting I can't

2429
01:59:28,970 --> 01:59:26,699
even tell you where the no but that's

2430
01:59:34,189 --> 01:59:28,980
the same year

2431
01:59:39,950 --> 01:59:37,010
I think you see the harbor one that wins

2432
01:59:41,810 --> 01:59:39,960
our way back so we go on this is some

2433
01:59:43,850 --> 01:59:41,820
let's go on to the um

2434
01:59:46,129 --> 01:59:43,860
the next one well I'll get in there

2435
01:59:51,890 --> 01:59:46,139
slowly

2436
01:59:55,189 --> 01:59:54,229
all right I don't recognize that one and

2437
01:59:56,689 --> 01:59:55,199
you should

2438
01:59:59,570 --> 01:59:56,699
hey

2439
02:00:03,169 --> 01:59:59,580
get it off

2440
02:00:04,729 --> 02:00:03,179
that was that's a lady that's um I can't

2441
02:00:08,990 --> 02:00:04,739
remember her name I will come the old

2442
02:00:10,910 --> 02:00:09,000
England range oh and 1971 uh Angry

2443
02:00:13,370 --> 02:00:10,920
Worcestershire with a number of other

2444
02:00:16,330 --> 02:00:13,380
girl guys so we're kicking the mic out

2445
02:00:19,609 --> 02:00:16,340
in the field and this bloody thing

2446
02:00:22,189 --> 02:00:19,619
zoomed up over the top of the field and

2447
02:00:25,189 --> 02:00:22,199
then circled around the the the the the

2448
02:00:27,530 --> 02:00:25,199
the the tents for about half an hour

2449
02:00:30,350 --> 02:00:27,540
charifying them all they eventually

2450
02:00:32,870 --> 02:00:30,360
reported that the police and then the

2451
02:00:35,390 --> 02:00:32,880
mod and of course nothing was done about

2452
02:00:38,629 --> 02:00:35,400
it and they she still looks around so

2453
02:00:40,310 --> 02:00:38,639
now I think that's a letter uh I don't

2454
02:00:43,850 --> 02:00:40,320
know why this is out of sequence but

2455
02:00:45,890 --> 02:00:43,860
this is what Margaret fry saw in 1955

2456
02:00:48,050 --> 02:00:45,900
which is of interest because we've got

2457
02:00:51,530 --> 02:00:48,060
the classic one two three lights

2458
02:00:53,450 --> 02:00:51,540
although Margaret does say yes there are

2459
02:00:55,310 --> 02:00:53,460
three lights set at hemispherical

2460
02:00:57,530 --> 02:00:55,320
distance from each other but there was

2461
02:01:00,169 --> 02:00:57,540
always there was actually a light in the

2462
02:01:03,229 --> 02:01:00,179
middle that's that's her

2463
02:01:05,450 --> 02:01:03,239
before God that's Margaret and she was

2464
02:01:06,830 --> 02:01:05,460
in bexleyheath

2465
02:01:11,089 --> 02:01:06,840
um

2466
02:01:12,910 --> 02:01:11,099
that's the newspaper cutting

2467
02:01:15,050 --> 02:01:12,920
that's

2468
02:01:18,169 --> 02:01:15,060
surely mentioned

2469
02:01:23,350 --> 02:01:18,179
Alan Hilton he he had a lot of

2470
02:01:26,890 --> 02:01:23,360
conferences down in the um Kent area

2471
02:01:31,609 --> 02:01:26,900
ex-pilot blah blah blah really nice guy

2472
02:01:33,290 --> 02:01:31,619
he he passed away some years ago and to

2473
02:01:35,510 --> 02:01:33,300
say he was a big friend of Margaret's

2474
02:01:40,129 --> 02:01:35,520
now that that

2475
02:01:43,070 --> 02:01:40,139
that's what Rodney Maynard said he saw

2476
02:01:44,450 --> 02:01:43,080
he saw it the day after Margaret fry saw

2477
02:01:46,669 --> 02:01:44,460
hers

2478
02:01:49,910 --> 02:01:46,679
now he was

2479
02:01:52,609 --> 02:01:49,920
um he told Timothy good and Timothy cook

2480
02:01:57,169 --> 02:01:52,619
was interviewed on a radio program about

2481
02:01:59,390 --> 02:01:57,179
the Bexley Heath site in 1955 and

2482
02:02:02,149 --> 02:01:59,400
um they said to him the guy says

2483
02:02:05,030 --> 02:02:02,159
relucting what was it look like and he

2484
02:02:07,729 --> 02:02:05,040
said well it was a classic flying

2485
02:02:09,890 --> 02:02:07,739
sausage-shaped object with what looked

2486
02:02:12,350 --> 02:02:09,900
like a nipple on the top and the boat

2487
02:02:13,910 --> 02:02:12,360
burst into laughter and he said well

2488
02:02:16,790 --> 02:02:13,920
there's a lot of those flying nipples

2489
02:02:20,570 --> 02:02:16,800
around some of the places here and I

2490
02:02:23,629 --> 02:02:20,580
thought Tim why did you say that and

2491
02:02:25,790 --> 02:02:23,639
it's funny but it's not you know but

2492
02:02:28,669 --> 02:02:25,800
then again that's what the bloke saw and

2493
02:02:30,649 --> 02:02:28,679
so for me and obviously that whoever was

2494
02:02:33,890 --> 02:02:30,659
listening to that

2495
02:02:36,709 --> 02:02:33,900
um it it denigrated it and people just

2496
02:02:41,149 --> 02:02:36,719
laughed that's our lady friend Margaret

2497
02:02:43,189 --> 02:02:41,159
that's the copper Jim streak

2498
02:02:45,950 --> 02:02:43,199
um that's Margaret putting some makeup

2499
02:02:48,770 --> 02:02:45,960
on this is at the crook Lodge

2500
02:02:51,950 --> 02:02:48,780
um the reunion that's the location where

2501
02:02:55,250 --> 02:02:51,960
it happened that's what Margaret saw and

2502
02:02:58,490 --> 02:02:55,260
some other kids saw as well I smiled it

2503
02:03:07,370 --> 02:03:00,360
is that nice

2504
02:03:18,950 --> 02:03:11,030
I'll be going for time be all right

2505
02:03:23,510 --> 02:03:20,870
that's smart

2506
02:03:25,790 --> 02:03:23,520
her father was great he actually was a

2507
02:03:27,350 --> 02:03:25,800
scientist

2508
02:03:30,589 --> 02:03:27,360
state

2509
02:03:35,930 --> 02:03:33,109
I've got to do the

2510
02:03:37,609 --> 02:03:35,940
um Paul Davis I put crack ons with that

2511
02:03:39,709 --> 02:03:37,619
in a minute there's some of my

2512
02:03:41,169 --> 02:03:39,719
Margaret's stuff

2513
02:03:44,149 --> 02:03:41,179
um

2514
02:03:47,750 --> 02:03:44,159
sketches some of the the reports that

2515
02:03:48,890 --> 02:03:47,760
she dealt with as you can see

2516
02:03:51,470 --> 02:03:48,900
um

2517
02:03:53,570 --> 02:03:51,480
that's Rodney Maynard the guy about the

2518
02:03:55,790 --> 02:03:53,580
sighting and then at the strange marks

2519
02:03:58,189 --> 02:03:55,800
now that's the one that's the famous

2520
02:04:00,649 --> 02:03:58,199
question I know if Margaret was ears you

2521
02:04:04,430 --> 02:04:00,659
might be here now she'd probably say

2522
02:04:07,129 --> 02:04:04,440
bloody hell John has he put in that up

2523
02:04:09,530 --> 02:04:07,139
here because of course that was uh well

2524
02:04:10,970 --> 02:04:09,540
it's no longer actually had the breast

2525
02:04:13,910 --> 02:04:10,980
cancer

2526
02:04:16,430 --> 02:04:13,920
that's how the dangor him from Earthly

2527
02:04:19,010 --> 02:04:16,440
he vanished off the face of the Earth

2528
02:04:21,350 --> 02:04:19,020
about four years ago don't know where

2529
02:04:23,270 --> 02:04:21,360
he's gone he was living in Bexley Heath

2530
02:04:24,709 --> 02:04:23,280
he always said he wanted to live in

2531
02:04:27,470 --> 02:04:24,719
Warminster

2532
02:04:31,250 --> 02:04:27,480
I don't know that was Cena I think that

2533
02:04:32,530 --> 02:04:31,260
was 78 over Bexley Heath that's one of

2534
02:04:35,390 --> 02:04:32,540
her letters here

2535
02:04:38,649 --> 02:04:35,400
she's mentioned somebody called a police

2536
02:04:41,990 --> 02:04:38,659
officer who witnessed it called Deborah

2537
02:04:44,709 --> 02:04:42,000
dinigri and I actually spoke to Deborah

2538
02:04:48,770 --> 02:04:44,719
and diniquely about three or four

2539
02:04:52,160 --> 02:04:48,780
weeks ago and got a story from her and

2540
02:04:53,870 --> 02:04:52,170
that's what they saw in the sky

2541
02:04:58,330 --> 02:04:53,880
[Music]

2542
02:05:03,770 --> 02:05:03,160
City Television Studios 1983

2543
02:05:05,629 --> 02:05:03,780
[Music]

2544
02:05:08,089 --> 02:05:05,639
um

2545
02:05:09,830 --> 02:05:08,099
but that's Scott you all know Scott

2546
02:05:12,410 --> 02:05:09,840
Felton yeah

2547
02:05:14,330 --> 02:05:12,420
yeah that's him at burrowing mountains

2548
02:05:20,870 --> 02:05:14,340
he's doing

2549
02:05:21,790 --> 02:05:20,880
um a can dedication to Margaret Frye so

2550
02:05:26,689 --> 02:05:21,800
remember

2551
02:05:30,910 --> 02:05:26,699
Mount is UFO researcher that's uh Jesse

2552
02:05:37,970 --> 02:05:34,910
sixth might become 56 that's just what

2553
02:05:40,850 --> 02:05:37,980
Jesse saw as you can see typical source

2554
02:05:44,930 --> 02:05:40,860
to saved object once again that's a rare

2555
02:05:50,030 --> 02:05:47,450
um many years ago that's that's the

2556
02:05:54,229 --> 02:05:50,040
illustration that's what she saw that's

2557
02:05:57,649 --> 02:05:54,239
husband Tony and so again the Scranton

2558
02:06:01,790 --> 02:05:57,659
Farmhouse where it was seen and there's

2559
02:06:02,629 --> 02:06:01,800
even a guy who saw it moving over

2560
02:06:07,149 --> 02:06:02,639
um

2561
02:06:09,410 --> 02:06:07,159
moving moving over about an hour later

2562
02:06:11,570 --> 02:06:09,420
so that that certainly was interesting

2563
02:06:14,510 --> 02:06:11,580
that's what Jesse

2564
02:06:17,570 --> 02:06:14,520
I saw and that's the beans inside the

2565
02:06:22,609 --> 02:06:17,580
object that's Jesse there that's Jesse

2566
02:06:25,490 --> 02:06:22,619
there that's showing a copy of the book

2567
02:06:28,070 --> 02:06:25,500
um but a lovely lady and absolutely a

2568
02:06:30,560 --> 02:06:28,080
very pleasure to to meet

2569
02:06:35,450 --> 02:06:30,570
daily

2570
02:06:43,810 --> 02:06:35,460
[Music]

2571
02:06:47,950 --> 02:06:46,010
and stuff

2572
02:07:03,910 --> 02:06:47,960
yeah

2573
02:07:06,770 --> 02:07:03,920
right

2574
02:07:09,910 --> 02:07:06,780
well no there's too many of us that's

2575
02:07:12,410 --> 02:07:09,920
the Scrapbook from the school

2576
02:07:14,870 --> 02:07:12,420
we'll just clock onto this thing that's

2577
02:07:15,770 --> 02:07:14,880
some of the illustrations done by the

2578
02:07:17,750 --> 02:07:15,780
kids

2579
02:07:21,290 --> 02:07:17,760
um and the interesting thing is that

2580
02:07:24,169 --> 02:07:21,300
they've got bits on the back Dome on top

2581
02:07:26,870 --> 02:07:24,179
and on top of the Dome was I like these

2582
02:07:29,209 --> 02:07:26,880
are young kids you know and that's what

2583
02:07:31,990 --> 02:07:29,219
was that's what they saw

2584
02:07:34,370 --> 02:07:32,000
and listen ERS there Webb's Hill

2585
02:07:37,129 --> 02:07:34,380
fascinating because at the top of the

2586
02:07:40,550 --> 02:07:37,139
hill is there was a cemetery and it was

2587
02:07:41,170 --> 02:07:40,560
a bit derelict term and shape and of

2588
02:07:41,510 --> 02:07:41,180
course

2589
02:07:42,649 --> 02:07:41,520
[Music]

2590
02:07:45,709 --> 02:07:42,659
um

2591
02:07:48,350 --> 02:07:45,719
you can't get up to the top now because

2592
02:07:51,430 --> 02:07:48,360
it used to be a path and

2593
02:07:55,250 --> 02:07:51,440
um cemeteries and UFOs

2594
02:07:57,229 --> 02:07:55,260
that's the church the silver cigar and

2595
02:08:00,410 --> 02:07:57,239
that's that's an illustration of what

2596
02:08:04,310 --> 02:08:00,420
the kids saw it's David Davis

2597
02:08:04,320 --> 02:08:10,490
triangle yeah

2598
02:08:14,149 --> 02:08:12,649
that's Malcolm Robinson I think that's

2599
02:08:17,570 --> 02:08:14,159
random isn't it

2600
02:08:19,189 --> 02:08:17,580
yeah yeah that's it because Malcolm went

2601
02:08:21,410 --> 02:08:19,199
to see him when he was a kid and he did

2602
02:08:23,950 --> 02:08:21,420
a really good interview so I'll try and

2603
02:08:27,530 --> 02:08:23,960
look that up for you

2604
02:08:30,169 --> 02:08:27,540
yeah I think if I that's Randall again

2605
02:08:32,270 --> 02:08:30,179
um I think if I went to the lot and all

2606
02:08:35,330 --> 02:08:32,280
the film The bits of film I'd be sat

2607
02:08:39,350 --> 02:08:35,340
here at four o'clock in the morning

2608
02:08:42,410 --> 02:08:39,890
um

2609
02:08:44,089 --> 02:08:42,420
don't bloody much stuff oh was that he's

2610
02:08:44,930 --> 02:08:44,099
left I think that was his letter wasn't

2611
02:08:47,450 --> 02:08:44,940
he

2612
02:08:48,530 --> 02:08:47,460
uh Dear Mr Anderson replied to your

2613
02:08:49,430 --> 02:08:48,540
recent

2614
02:08:51,950 --> 02:08:49,440
um

2615
02:08:54,790 --> 02:08:51,960
letter for which I thank you this will

2616
02:08:57,850 --> 02:08:54,800
confirm our meeting of October the 16th

2617
02:09:01,910 --> 02:08:57,860
1990 80s

2618
02:09:04,490 --> 02:09:01,920
yeah at some time in 10 and 11 A.M I

2619
02:09:06,350 --> 02:09:04,500
look forward to hearing your views and

2620
02:09:08,689 --> 02:09:06,360
look forward to meeting you and your

2621
02:09:11,390 --> 02:09:08,699
friend with all good wishes Randall

2622
02:09:13,250 --> 02:09:11,400
Jones Pew and the first thing he said to

2623
02:09:15,649 --> 02:09:13,260
me is to say when I got there he sat

2624
02:09:19,070 --> 02:09:15,659
down and he went

2625
02:09:21,169 --> 02:09:19,080
he said a few technology communion I

2626
02:09:24,229 --> 02:09:21,179
said I'll beg you back he said are you

2627
02:09:26,209 --> 02:09:24,239
religious I said well to be honest no he

2628
02:09:28,250 --> 02:09:26,219
said you were a cop though weren't you

2629
02:09:30,649 --> 02:09:28,260
and I said yes he said well done done

2630
02:09:32,570 --> 02:09:30,659
out John you've got to take Holy

2631
02:09:33,950 --> 02:09:32,580
Communion you've got to do something

2632
02:09:38,089 --> 02:09:33,960
you've got to change your religion

2633
02:09:41,689 --> 02:09:39,649
he said so really

2634
02:09:43,729 --> 02:09:41,699
I didn't spend too much time with him

2635
02:09:46,910 --> 02:09:43,739
and then it starts to pour down outside

2636
02:09:49,070 --> 02:09:46,920
and his wife came and and I left and I

2637
02:09:50,990 --> 02:09:49,080
got in the car and one of the bloody

2638
02:09:53,149 --> 02:09:51,000
Barons went in the wheel so I had to get

2639
02:09:56,930 --> 02:09:53,159
a lift back but there's there's another

2640
02:10:16,689 --> 02:09:56,940
story but what a smashing bloke

2641
02:10:22,070 --> 02:10:19,850
section however the sorts of Science

2642
02:10:25,189 --> 02:10:22,080
Fiction that deals with

2643
02:10:27,050 --> 02:10:25,199
Humanities place in the future Etc and

2644
02:10:29,510 --> 02:10:27,060
nothing to do with

2645
02:10:31,910 --> 02:10:29,520
spaceships coming from Mars and invade

2646
02:10:33,950 --> 02:10:31,920
in nothing's all like that

2647
02:10:36,790 --> 02:10:33,960
so being the natural born together that

2648
02:10:39,649 --> 02:10:36,800
I was at the end of the day I decided

2649
02:10:40,790 --> 02:10:39,659
that I was doing a debunk this once and

2650
02:10:43,129 --> 02:10:40,800
for all

2651
02:10:45,109 --> 02:10:43,139
total nonsense

2652
02:10:47,750 --> 02:10:45,119
so at the end of the day when the final

2653
02:10:53,149 --> 02:10:47,760
Bell ends I went to the top and playing

2654
02:10:58,010 --> 02:10:55,790
okay this is the very majority skill and

2655
02:10:59,990 --> 02:10:58,020
across the School Street

2656
02:11:01,669 --> 02:11:00,000
well I only managed to get my leg over

2657
02:11:04,129 --> 02:11:01,679
there

2658
02:11:07,550 --> 02:11:04,139
when

2659
02:11:10,910 --> 02:11:07,560
I was suddenly drawn to a large object

2660
02:11:13,330 --> 02:11:10,920
which is appeared from behind a group of

2661
02:11:15,420 --> 02:11:13,340
trees which are still there

2662
02:11:16,669 --> 02:11:15,430
uh 45 feet long

2663
02:11:19,010 --> 02:11:16,679
[Music]

2664
02:11:20,870 --> 02:11:19,020
silver

2665
02:11:23,209 --> 02:11:20,880
an expression I didn't use at the time

2666
02:11:25,370 --> 02:11:23,219
because it wasn't in my vocabulary but

2667
02:11:28,010 --> 02:11:25,380
the Silvery that was silver finish kind

2668
02:11:29,450 --> 02:11:28,020
of put a lesson sort of feel to it it

2669
02:11:33,229 --> 02:11:29,460
was

2670
02:11:33,550 --> 02:11:33,239
almost difficult to focus on purpose

2671
02:11:36,970 --> 02:11:33,560
um

2672
02:11:43,430 --> 02:11:40,370
Central Dome that covered the top the

2673
02:11:47,209 --> 02:11:43,440
The Little Theater of the vehicle

2674
02:11:50,870 --> 02:11:47,219
and I read I scrubby at the times of the

2675
02:11:52,490 --> 02:11:50,880
flashing light now again another word

2676
02:11:54,350 --> 02:11:52,500
that wasn't in my vocabulary at the same

2677
02:11:58,149 --> 02:11:54,360
time and I'll correct that now I would

2678
02:12:03,589 --> 02:12:00,530
like you'd see on an emergency vehicle

2679
02:12:08,209 --> 02:12:03,599
it was more sorts of

2680
02:12:14,629 --> 02:12:08,219
a very slow vast one one flash per

2681
02:12:18,350 --> 02:12:16,370
I honestly couldn't believe what I saw

2682
02:12:21,109 --> 02:12:18,360
though I'm excited on the accident for

2683
02:12:24,229 --> 02:12:21,119
the matter of about 10 seconds at the

2684
02:12:29,810 --> 02:12:27,229
um the object eventually motionless but

2685
02:12:33,649 --> 02:12:29,820
it appeared to be given a slight tugging

2686
02:12:40,080 --> 02:12:36,229
and then went to be home

2687
02:12:42,830 --> 02:12:41,689
[Applause]

2688
02:12:45,530 --> 02:12:42,840
um reports have been coming in

2689
02:12:50,089 --> 02:12:45,540
throughout the day but we've seen this

2690
02:12:56,390 --> 02:12:52,910
like I said I didn't believe one best so

2691
02:13:00,890 --> 02:12:56,400
at the end of the day I came up from my

2692
02:13:02,350 --> 02:13:00,900
tattoo which was turned up there

2693
02:13:04,550 --> 02:13:02,360
um

2694
02:13:07,129 --> 02:13:04,560
which is a bit higher now than it was

2695
02:13:09,649 --> 02:13:07,139
another use of something around about

2696
02:13:13,970 --> 02:13:12,169
started looking there was nothing inside

2697
02:13:16,129 --> 02:13:13,980
what's around here

2698
02:13:18,229 --> 02:13:16,139
so

2699
02:13:20,089 --> 02:13:18,239
I suddenly get over the fence just at

2700
02:13:23,270 --> 02:13:20,099
the top here

2701
02:13:26,209 --> 02:13:23,280
and I was only about halfway over one

2702
02:13:28,930 --> 02:13:26,219
leg oversizing fence you'll see it's a

2703
02:13:31,370 --> 02:13:28,940
bit difficult to use these small trees

2704
02:13:34,310 --> 02:13:31,380
are starting to mature a bit now but

2705
02:13:36,649 --> 02:13:34,320
you'll see a large amount of trees on

2706
02:13:43,910 --> 02:13:36,659
the back of there it's just just before

2707
02:13:49,110 --> 02:13:47,330
and this is just just to show you this

2708
02:13:51,470 --> 02:13:49,120
one though

2709
02:13:56,050 --> 02:13:51,480
[Music]

2710
02:13:59,750 --> 02:13:56,060
now as I turned I know

2711
02:14:01,870 --> 02:13:59,760
fancy scramblers as far as I know people

2712
02:14:03,370 --> 02:14:01,880
are even a hotel

2713
02:14:06,790 --> 02:14:03,380
[Music]

2714
02:14:06,800 --> 02:14:19,270
although mother had decisions

2715
02:14:19,280 --> 02:14:23,589
this is

2716
02:14:28,030 --> 02:14:26,350
perhaps you just give it a minute

2717
02:14:31,490 --> 02:14:28,040
yeah

2718
02:14:39,150 --> 02:14:31,500
so he said you have a nice

2719
02:14:42,490 --> 02:14:39,420
[Music]

2720
02:14:46,250 --> 02:14:42,500
[Applause]

2721
02:14:50,089 --> 02:14:46,260
anyway towards Little Haven yeah

2722
02:14:53,390 --> 02:14:50,099
um we found a dilapidated Farmhouse

2723
02:14:55,970 --> 02:14:53,400
right alignment basically I'm in this

2724
02:14:59,569 --> 02:14:55,980
lowest motor show but you know

2725
02:14:59,579 --> 02:15:07,149
okay thanks yeah it's okay

2726
02:15:17,290 --> 02:15:09,109
q a

2727
02:15:27,410 --> 02:15:19,729
I don't want to hook her up and you know

2728
02:15:32,649 --> 02:15:28,569
yeah

2729
02:15:36,890 --> 02:15:35,089
well it was a Whistle Stop tour wasn't

2730
02:15:42,589 --> 02:15:36,900
it

2731
02:15:44,990 --> 02:15:42,599
archive we need to have one meeting like

2732
02:15:47,569 --> 02:15:45,000
this every night for a whole year really

2733
02:15:51,050 --> 02:15:47,579
see it all I appreciate it all

2734
02:15:54,410 --> 02:15:51,060
but uh I'm sure you all appreciate what

2735
02:15:56,990 --> 02:15:54,420
John's told us all tonight

2736
02:15:58,609 --> 02:15:57,000
it's uh can't believe the amount of

2737
02:16:01,189 --> 02:15:58,619
information that is

2738
02:16:03,470 --> 02:16:01,199
he could uh he could keep talking about

2739
02:16:05,390 --> 02:16:03,480
it over and over and over again

2740
02:16:07,729 --> 02:16:05,400
and um

2741
02:16:10,069 --> 02:16:07,739
my head's spinning I shouldn't be what

2742
02:16:12,649 --> 02:16:10,079
information has gone in

2743
02:16:13,580 --> 02:16:12,659
and uh yeah can you put your hand

2744
02:16:22,370 --> 02:16:13,590
together again for John

2745
02:16:22,380 --> 02:16:28,629
nobody got any questions click no

2746
02:16:32,450 --> 02:16:30,770
out there questions because we did an

2747
02:16:34,610 --> 02:16:32,460
interview before

2748
02:16:37,969 --> 02:16:34,620
this flight which is going out on the

2749
02:16:39,290 --> 02:16:37,979
radio show next week and um asked a few

2750
02:16:42,530 --> 02:16:39,300
questions there

2751
02:16:43,570 --> 02:16:42,540
but um out of all the cases that you've

2752
02:16:46,129 --> 02:16:43,580
mixed

2753
02:16:47,750 --> 02:16:46,139
examined or investigated over the years

2754
02:16:50,709 --> 02:16:47,760
it's a bit of a difficult question is

2755
02:16:53,929 --> 02:16:50,719
which is the one that is most

2756
02:16:56,389 --> 02:16:53,939
impressive or has the most effective yes

2757
02:16:59,509 --> 02:16:56,399
most frightening of course is the Doris

2758
02:17:02,089 --> 02:16:59,519
uh Doris from week Moore and Heritage

2759
02:17:05,330 --> 02:17:02,099
for me that's um

2760
02:17:08,330 --> 02:17:05,340
I mean at the end of the day these

2761
02:17:10,490 --> 02:17:08,340
people are experiences frightening

2762
02:17:13,250 --> 02:17:10,500
things

2763
02:17:14,990 --> 02:17:13,260
um sometimes people see something in the

2764
02:17:17,330 --> 02:17:15,000
sky and they're still friends and

2765
02:17:21,770 --> 02:17:17,340
sometimes people do have a close

2766
02:17:24,169 --> 02:17:21,780
encounter I think that um it's very

2767
02:17:26,330 --> 02:17:24,179
difficult to say this is so many I mean

2768
02:17:28,730 --> 02:17:26,340
we've got the picture of the implant

2769
02:17:35,509 --> 02:17:32,870
um intriguing uh stuff really yeah and

2770
02:17:39,349 --> 02:17:35,519
as we said I've got a folder there if I

2771
02:17:43,129 --> 02:17:39,359
got the archives here and we all sat

2772
02:17:45,230 --> 02:17:43,139
here by the end of the month saying yeah

2773
02:17:48,290 --> 02:17:45,240
you'd be you have to

2774
02:17:50,209 --> 02:17:48,300
be carried away or we'd have to you

2775
02:17:52,790 --> 02:17:50,219
you'd be going mad because there's so

2776
02:17:55,730 --> 02:17:52,800
much stuff but it is trying to get that

2777
02:17:56,450 --> 02:17:55,740
message across isn't it that

2778
02:17:59,209 --> 02:17:56,460
um

2779
02:18:01,990 --> 02:17:59,219
you know this is the serious uh

2780
02:18:05,450 --> 02:18:02,000
phenomena and it should be treated with

2781
02:18:08,509 --> 02:18:05,460
respectability by the media and the

2782
02:18:12,169 --> 02:18:08,519
press and the issues so all you've got

2783
02:18:14,950 --> 02:18:12,179
to do is ask you one question why

2784
02:18:19,549 --> 02:18:14,960
because they don't want you to know

2785
02:18:23,389 --> 02:18:19,559
right yeah believe that and 100 and

2786
02:18:25,790 --> 02:18:23,399
again this really affected me well maybe

2787
02:18:27,889 --> 02:18:25,800
think well the number of people

2788
02:18:29,509 --> 02:18:27,899
who dedicated like we said earlier the

2789
02:18:31,669 --> 02:18:29,519
people have dedicated their lives to

2790
02:18:33,530 --> 02:18:31,679
research it at how many times tonight

2791
02:18:35,690 --> 02:18:33,540
did he say oh this person has passed

2792
02:18:38,030 --> 02:18:35,700
away this person's passed away we've

2793
02:18:40,969 --> 02:18:38,040
only heard for a few years have we

2794
02:18:43,549 --> 02:18:40,979
and we do what we can and there's a body

2795
02:18:45,709 --> 02:18:43,559
of work left behind and sadly a lot of

2796
02:18:49,849 --> 02:18:45,719
it's gone missing but John's worked hard

2797
02:18:51,290 --> 02:18:49,859
to try and preserve a lot of that and I